Ki

he doesn't play for raith rovers he scored for hearts over the weekend and is considered to be the best scot in his age group by Mark Wotte the sfa performance director. Earned player of the year honors in last seasons u19 league Very talented and exciting prospect infact hes probably the best prospect outside of celtic in all of scotland.

 

Any other subject and i usually agree with you but personally i think everything stated here is just rubbish, there is no evidence invisible ledley is ever going to be 10 times the player Ki is, thats just ridiculous.

Its the same usual people who dislike the player and do everything they can to demean his performances, they like to lay the blame of a defeat onto Ki because they cannot within themselves come to blame their favourite players, players like ledley, mulgrew, brown, hooper, stokes etc... all who have had disastrous performances in the past couple of weeks but that flies under the radar because the first thread people will come to, to lambast a player if he has played is Ki.

 

That comment is frankly laughable. Ledley is one of our stalwarts and a player who steps up more often than not when asked to. No matter where he plays or in what formation. He doesnt need any special set up or players around him to flourish. He just does his job. Very effectively.

Its the same people who are critical of Ki because its the same people who see that he is underperforming. And the suggestion of favourite players is quite an immature comment, I am a fan of the club. And if players arent performing I will criticise them, and vice versa. The problem with Ki is that people such as yourself have an amazingly blinkered view of what he brings to the side.

For me he is a bottle merchant who picks and chooses when he plays. I sincerely hope that we are able to sell him and get someone in who is going to be more consistent. As it is we have Brown, Ledley, Commons, Kayal, Forrest, Wanyama who I would have any 4 of before Ki.

It clearly riles you that his so called promise isnt going to come to fruition.

His passing is average, his tackling is woeful, he cant header the ball and his discipline in midfield in how he covers, tracks back and keeps his shape is terrible.

The manager clearly see's this and thats why Ki isnt a first team pick when we have a full squad.

 

We have always disagreed with Ki, but i could say the same thing about ledley, i like him as a player i really do but sometimes i just don't get the hype, he is a player that consistently gives the same performance and sometimes has a moment of magic, but for me these consistent performances are consistently average.

Ill have you know when Ki plays badly i am perfectly willing to accept it, against the huns i gave him 4/10 that is not a pass mark, i gave the same rating to ledley as well. I am perfectly able to see if Ki is having a mare or if he isn't playing as well as he can.

I do not have a blinkered view of Ki, all i am saying is every-time i come onto this thread its the same old * from the same old few or increasingly more as it seems.

I have no problem criticising players when they play badly, my problem comes when criticism is given out and it is solely directed at ONE player.
You then get comments that certain players are immune to criticism because they have been decent all season, its their way of avoiding criticizing that certain player.

I too Kemo love Celtic, not one player will increase nor reduce that love, i respect your opinion, but i will not accept Ki becoming a scapegoat for people to lambast because the ENTIRE celtic team did not turn up against either Kilmarnock in the cup final or the Rangers game, countless, i mean countless worse performers but the player getting it in the neck is Ki, that kemo is what i hate.

 

He is getting it in the neck coz this is the Ki thread. That and we keep hearing that he has this great promise and how fantastic he is. How creative he is and can open defences blah blah blah. Last week was an opportunity for him to do so. And he hid. He wasnt the worst player on the park, but he contributed very little of note. All the players that played last week, bar possibly Forster, Brown and Samaras were awful. But I wont be too critical of the majority of players there who got us through 20 odd games unbeaten. A spell where Ki was pretty much a squad player.

We have seen posters in the past say he is worth £8m or more and can play in Europe. Well if he cant do it in the SPL on a regular basis that is just fantasy.

I reckon if we get what we paid for him we will be doing well. And if he does go elsewhere and performs, good luck to him because it isnt happening for him here.

 

Its kind of difficult is it not to show your potential with one off games here and there, coupled together with his illnesses and injurys over the past couple of months, most other players get sympathy but with Ki i see no such thing.

 

So you classified Koo Ja-Cheol as an Augsburg player the club he is on loan with. Using your logic Wilson and Allan should be then classed as being with their loan club. So I only appear to be dense by following your logic.

Son Heung-Min has appeared 21 times for Hamburg so hardly just a prospect.

I awaited with baited breath the prospects of the giants of Europe(england) queueing up for Holt, Jack and the rest of your list of hot prospects.

Please find my post where I try to pass off Son Heung-Min as a "world beater"

 

Every player that isnt a started can have the same argument. Ki has played over 80 times in his spell here so he has had plenty of opportunity to cement a place. So why hasnt he? Injuries? Illness? Brown, Ledley have both been injured as well. Commons has been out for a long spell and you could suggest that he hasnt had a run of games yet. He was certainly a big player for us last year. Where was his sympathy? When he was out and coming back struggling a lot of fans were/ are saying he is finished.

So its not just Ki. But he has an awful lot of apologists for doing not a great deal.

 

I don't think i ever said commons was finished, he looked good when he came on against rangers, in fact many people said Ki was good when he came on against Killie and we started to get a grip of the midfield. Both players looking for form and both players showing glimpses of their talent.

Some fans are so quick to criticise Ki thats my only real gripe, i can tell if hes had a bad game.

 

Ki has been a major disappointment in his time here, and his erratic wayward performances in the League, Cup and Europe have contributed to some of our worse defeats, Sion springs to mind, the Cup Final a week ago, and his hiding in the Ibrox game last Sunday. Too often Ki is posted missing in games,and our whole midfield seems to collapse whenever he is in the middle, as he tends to be slow, lazy, can't tackle and looks disinterested half the time, he is definitely not cut out for the SPL, where even in bread and butter games he tends to struggle badly, and I honestly can't remember when he last scored a goal,or made a decent free kick or corner, I honestly don't know how his supporters can keep on defending him or can find any more excuses for his shocking and sub standard performances.

I don't expect to see Ki play much more for us this season at all, as he has expended all his chances to stake a regular first team place, and he is now hindering the developement of Dylan McGeouch, who looks a far more promising player than Ki will ever be in my opinion.

I expect to see Ki, Cha and Kelvin Wilson sold this summer as none of them are going to make it with us as far as I am concerned.

 

Never said you slated Commons, but others have. So its not just Ki. In fact there was a point where a lot of fans wanted rid of Commons.

Ki has had ample opportunities mate, we need to cut our losses with him. Little snippets of form here and there arent enough to make it at our club. Ask Pat McCourt. He needs to be firing on all cylinders every game and he is incapable of that.

He is a player that doesnt fit in at our club. And all this nonsense about having a 5 man midfield or whatever to accomodate him is utter nonsense. We went on a run of over 20 games unbeaten that has effectively won us the league and we did it without changing to allow him a start. That should tell us that he is the problem, not the side.

And his criticism's are justified as well. He cant tackle, he cant header, he is one paced, his passing is vastly overrated, his discipline in the centre of the park and his ability to hold shape and cover is poor and he is bad at tracking back. These are all staples of the modern midfielder, unless you are a player of exceptional ability. Which he isnt.

 

Well i don't agree, you do make valid points but im afraid eventually time will tell which one of us is correct.

 

Most of those prospects made up the core of the scotland u21 team that took 4 points of the dutch in 2 games so maybe the big clubs should be looking at them.

 

You've missed the point. Your logic seems to be that a player should be rated by the club he plays for and not on his individual merit, surely you see the flaws in this strategy. If I apply your ideas then Celtic should never sign players from inferior clubs, in fact in your opinion the idea is laughable. All the players I mentioned are good prospects on their individual merits, I really don't give a * who they play for.

Son Heung-Min has made 21 appearances of which 13 came from the substitues bench. In my eyes he is nothing more than a prospect because he is a young player who hasn't cemented a place in the starting lineup.

As for your last point you took issue with my list of elite Korean players and deemed Son Heung-Min and three other players as worthy of inclusion on the list, he wasn't worthy of mention on my list because he's not a world beater, hence you mentioning him means you think he is a world beater(at least thats how I see it).

 

some very good prospects currently in the scotland under 21 set up.

 

If you don't understand what Ledley brings to the team you don't understand football, simple as that.

 

It was more of a tongue in cheek comment, if you read my other posts further down the page i explain i like ledley but sometimes i don't see the hype. Second of all thats your opinion if someone thinks ledley is invisible then they don't understand football.

So please don't tell me i don't understand a game i both watch and play, thanks very much.

 

Many people watch and play football but don't understand the game, I'll stand by my comment:bbpd:

 

Wanyama, Kayal, Ledley, Brown are great grafters. Love them. But they're maxed out. I can't see any of them playing for a better club than Celtic. Sorry. But defensive ball winners and grafters are a dime a dozen. Unfortunately all leagues in Europe are filled with similar grafters who are much better technically. SPL and Celtic are as far as they will go professionally. They may move on to a lower rung team in a better league, but no where will they be held in as high an esteem from the fans than at Celtic. Nothing wrong with that.

Ki is not suited to SPL. All the criticism directed at him is 100% correct. He's far from the finished product and he cruises through games at half pace most of the time. No doubt in my mind he's third or fourth choice at CM here. But, he's the only one of the lot who I can see starting at a top tier club in Europe not called Barca. He'll move on and be ten fold better than anyone we have here. We will likely regret criticising him, but fact is, if he stayed he'd still always remain fourth choice CM.

 

We need all kinds of midfielders. Including a true playmaker. Doesn't matter what SPL is like. And Ki's the only playmaker we have, at the moment.