Ki

It gets a bit tiresome when people keep trotting out the line that because he is the Korean POTY he is an amazing player and should be starting for us. His competition for that award was pretty poor tbh, there are very few Koreans who would get into our starting eleven apart from the ones mightymcginn mentioned.

 

If those players had not been injured (especially chung yung) then I don't think ki would have won their player of the year so I don't really think that it is unjust too mention it.

 

did not say that at all i'm simply point out that it is unfair for someone to "taint" his awards like POTY and considering their national team is 21 places higher then Scotlands competition for POTY can hardly be poor but when we all respected and understood how good Asian or Korean football is when he won YPOTY when we signed him and was proof he is a good player but then suddenly his title of Korean POTY is dismissed because their players are not very good? .

i'm not saying he is an amazing player just because he won POTY as like i said when given a run in the team he get us goals and can help control the tempo of games with his passing but when used sparingly like Sammy used to be their game suffers.

 

Around the end of the last year, Ki was picked as the most hopeful and expected player of 2012 whom the football fans want to watch in the game, by a lot of football fans here. Ahead of Ji Sung Park, and Lee Chung Yong. And I believe he was worthy enough of getting that award POTY.

I just can't believe how some people who don't rate Ki would deny almost everything related to Ki.

 

Ki is the scapegoat of choice at the moment when Celtic lose a match. His predecessors in this department were Scott Brown and Samaras. The same Samaras who despite a poor start to the season has just under 1 in 12 voters in the current poll think he is now our best player.

For the record I did not vote Ki but am the sole voter for Rogne

 

i hate criticising players that don the hoops but with ki i find it hard not to
imo he doesnt work anywhere near hard enough for the team, is constantly in the road of players trying to bring the ball forward and doesn't show enough to make me think he can play the likes of wanyama ledley brown (much improved btw) kayal (when fit) out of contention, this annoys me because i think the fella has alot of talent but possibly it is he lacks confidence or maybe hes another sammy who plays brilliant one game and * the rest

 

Aye that's all well and good but it hasn't helped him establish himself as an important Celtic player thus far as he has failed to do so. Quite frankly I doubt he'll ever become an important Celtic player.

 

You mean Sammy was a scapegoat. Despite the abuse their were always those who stuck up for him as he obviously has talent.

Cha was more at fault for Sundays defeat yet only received mild criticism when compared to Ki. I would agree that Ki was poor on Sunday and not for the first time. However when he has had a run in the first team he has generally performed quite well.
We seen the best of Ki at the start of last season. However his run was ended by having to go to the Asian Cup. Since then he has not had a sustained run of first team football.

 

I was not trying to say "he is an amazing Celtic player because he won that award in Korea".

I posted that only because I think I read some post here saying like he was actually not worthy of getting that award.

 

Korea may be 21 places higher than Scotland but they are a worse team imo. the Fifa rankings mean absolutely nothing and favor teams who play in worse confederations over those who play in Europe. I would say that Korean POTY in a year when the three best koreans are injured or not getting games is a fairly meaningless award because frankly I don't think he or any of his competitors are good enough to play for us.

 

I never said his title should be dismissed because all of their players are not very good I believe his title should be put into the correct perspective. By that I mean their 3 best players as far as i am concerned were hurt or not getting games.so it was a down year for korean football.

 

2002 World cup
Korea top their group eliminating European qualifiers Portugal and Poland
Korea knock out Italy and Spain before losing to Germany in the semi final.

2006 World Cup
Korea draw with France but lose out on the group stage by 1 point to France.

2010 World Cup
Korea defeat 2004 Euro champions Greece and draw with Nigeria to qualify for the last 16 where they are defeated by eventual semi finalists Uruguay 2 - 1

And Scotlands highlights in the last decade?

 

South Korea, are a much better team than scotland. However that still doesn't make Ki anymore than 5th choice CM just now.

 

I do not advocate a starting place for Ki in the team at this present moment.
I do think that he is undeserving of all the criticism that has labeled at him.
I also think he is a talented player who with a run in the team and a boost to his confidence could become a very important player for us especially in the CL.

 

Ki has had plenty of disappointing performances in the hoops. Hopefully as he progresses a player, we'll see much less of these performances. He has nearly everything and he just has to use his attributes wisely, he'll do that as he matures as a footballer.

 

Its incredibly stupid to try and say korea are a better team than Scotland becuase of their performances in the world cup because it is very easy for Korea to make the World Cup. I want to make this clear before someone accuses me of bias, I' m an American and have no interest in the scottish national team. Having said that I think Scotland's team is better than the American team (which is rated higher than the Korean in the meaningless Fifa rankings). Just because the United states has drawn with England in the last world cup in no way means they are better than scotland, the same can be said for Korea and their results in the world cup. Also home results in the world cup should be discarded because home teams generally play beyond their ability level.

If you look at the players who make up both the Scottish and Korean national team I feel anyone but the biggest fans of the korean national team would be hard pressed to say Korea has better players. Korea has Lee Chung Yong, Park from Man U, and Park Chu-Yong from Arsenal, those are their only good players. The rest of their players play in Korea or Japan for the most part (pretty poor levels of football). Scotland on the other hand has Darren Fletcher, Charlie adam, and Steven Fletcher (if he and Levein can solve their differences). The average players in the Scotland team generally play in the EPL, for us or Rangers, or in the Championship (all a much higher level than the Japanese or Korean League.)

 

Scotland have beaten france and ukraine and drawn germany, croatia (2x) and italy in the past decade, those stand out as highlights for me.

 

My problem with Ki is that, for a creative midfielder, he has absolutely no creativity.

Good in possession, yes. Tidy passer, yes. Good long shots, aye. I'd even credit him with a decent amount of pace and good enough workrate, unlike other people on here.

My problem is that he very rarely plays a defence splitting pass, or manages to start an attacking move. He doesn't lose the ball often, but that's all he offers - and you could say the same about Ledley, Kayal or Brown (despite the claims of some). What Ki doesn't offer is the defensive side of the game, and so if we're going to play him, he needs to offer much more going forward.

His corners and free-kicks are absolute baws an aw.

 

Korea is a far better team than Scotland.