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Steven Gerrard Question

Discussion in 'World Football' started by Mystic Penguin, Mar 14, 2012.

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  1. kris_bhoy_1916

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    On average barca must have about 65-70% possession every all liga game and still to draw 6 and loose 2 games tells me the defence isn't to good this season. They have conceded the least amount of goals in la liga but its hard getting the ball off them if you can get in the final 3rd against barca you have a decent chance of scoring. For example last night against granada.
     
  2. kris_bhoy_1916

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    City yes he's better than barry and de Jong. Madrid yes he's better than khedira/diarra. And he's better than busquets imo.
     
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    I think your right Kris, just thinking now, I think every manager of every club would seriously consider having Gerrard in their team.
     
  4. The Golden God I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds Gold Member

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    He would get nowhere near the Barca team. Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Busquets and Mashcerano are all better.
     
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    Barcelona is the only team where he might not get a starting slot, with all their attacking flair he wouldn't be used as an offensive player, it would be between Busquets, Gerrard and Mashcerano for who get's that holding mid slot, I think Gerrard would have a serious claim to get in the team.
     
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  6. kris_bhoy_1916

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    Yes he would both gerrard and febregas were huge to Liverpool and arsenal. Gerrard produced it alot more on the big occasions then fabregas did. Bigger team player.

    As for busquets what does everyone see on this guy he looks good because he's next to iniesta and xavi. Anyone can play next to them two and look decent.
     
  7. Mystic Penguin

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    Players that have won more than Gerrard. Just because Markey and Kris were talking about honours.

    Silva
    Club
    Valencia
    Copa del Rey: 2007–08
    Manchester City
    FA Cup: 2010–11
    [edit]Country
    Spain
    FIFA World Cup: 2010
    FIFA Confederations Cup: Third-place 2009
    UEFA European Football Championship: 2008
    UEFA European Under-19 Championship: 2004
    FIFA U-17 World Championship: Runner-up 2003

    Xavi
    La Liga (6): 1998–99, 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Copa del Rey (1): 2008–09; Runner-up 2010–11
    Supercopa de España (5): 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011
    UEFA Champions League (3): 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11
    UEFA Super Cup (2): 2009, 2011; Runner-up 2006
    FIFA Club World Cup (2): 2009, 2011; Runner-up 2006
    [edit]Spain
    FIFA World Cup: 2010
    UEFA European Football Championship: 2008
    FIFA World Youth Championship: 1999
    Summer Olympics: Silver medal 2000
    FIFA Confederations Cup: Third-place 2009

    Iniesta
    Barcelona
    La Liga (5): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Copa del Rey (1): 2008–09; Runner-up 2010–11
    Supercopa de España (5): 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011
    UEFA Champions League (3): 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11
    UEFA Super Cup (2): 2009, 2011; Runner-up 2006
    FIFA Club World Cup (2): 2009, 2011; Runner-up 2006
    [edit]Spain
    FIFA World Cup: 2010
    UEFA European Football Championship: 2008
    UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship: 2002
    UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship: 2001

    Fabregas
    Barcelona
    Winner
    Supercopa de España: 2011
    UEFA Super Cup: 2011
    FIFA Club World Cup: 2011
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    Winner
    FIFA World Cup: 2010
    UEFA European Championship: 2008
    Runner-up
    FIFA U-17 World Championship: 2003
    UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship: 2004

    Mascherano
    River Plate
    Primera División Argentina: 1
    2003–04 Clausura
    [edit]Corinthians
    Campeonato Brasileiro Série A: 1
    2005
    [edit]Barcelona
    La Liga: 1
    2010–11
    UEFA Champions League: 1
    2010-11
    Supercopa de España: 1
    2011
    UEFA Super Cup: 1
    2011
    FIFA Club World Cup: 1
    2011
    [edit]International
    Olympic Gold Medal: 2
    2004, 2008

    Busquets
    Barcelona
    La Liga (3): 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Copa del Rey (1): 2008–09; Runner-up 2010–11
    Supercopa de España (3): 2009, 2010, 2011
    UEFA Champions League (2): 2008–09, 2010–11
    UEFA Super Cup (2): 2009, 2011
    FIFA Club World Cup (2): 2009, 2011
    [edit]Spain
    FIFA World Cup: 2010
    FIFA Confederations Cup: Third-place 2009

    Keita
    Club
    [edit]Lorient
    Coupe de France: 2001–02
    [edit]Sevilla
    Supercopa de España: 2007
    UEFA Super Cup: Runner-up 2007
    [edit]Barcelona
    La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Copa del Rey: 2008–09; Runner-up 2010–11
    Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011
    UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11
    UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011
    FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011
    [edit]Country
    FIFA U-20 World Cup: Third-place 1999
    Africa Cup of Nations: Third-place 2012

    Thiago
    [edit]Barcelona
    La Liga (3): 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Copa del Rey: Runner-up 2010–11
    Supercopa de España (2): 2010, 2011
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2010–11
    UEFA Super Cup (1): 2011
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2011

    Toure
    Club
    ASEC Mimosas
    Côte d'Ivoire Premier Division: 2001
    Olympiacos
    Super League Greece: 2005–06
    Greek Cup: 2005–06
    Barcelona
    La Liga (2): 2008–09, 2009–10
    Copa del Rey: 2008–09
    Supercopa de España: 2009
    UEFA Champions League: 2008–09
    UEFA Super Cup: 2009
    FIFA Club World Cup: 2009
    Manchester City
    FA Cup: 2010–11

    Scholes
    Club
    Manchester United
    Premier League (10): 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
    FA Cup (3): 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
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    UEFA Champions League (2):1998–99, 2007–08
    Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
    International
    England
    1997 Tournoi de France
    UEFA European Under-18 Football Championship: 1993

    Alonso
    Club
    Liverpool
    FA Cup: 2006
    FA Community Shield: 2006
    UEFA Champions League: 2004-05
    European Super Cup: 2005
    Real Madrid
    Copa del Rey: 2011
    [edit]Country
    Spain
    FIFA World Cup: 2010
    UEFA European Football Championship: 2008


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    Sneijder
    Ajax
    Eredivisie (1): 2003–04
    KNVB Cup (2): 2005–06, 2006–07
    Johan Cruijff-schaal (3): 2002, 2005, 2006
    Real Madrid
    La Liga (1): 2007–08
    Supercopa de España (1): 2008
    Internazionale
    Serie A (1): 2009–10
    Coppa Italia (2): 2009–10, 2010–11
    Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2010
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2009–10
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2010

    [edit]International
    Netherlands
    2010 FIFA World Cup Silver medal

    Carrick

    Club
    West Ham United
    FA Youth Cup (1): 1998–99
    Manchester United
    Premier League (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
    Football League Cup (1): 2009–10
    FA Community Shield (4): 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

    Darren Fletcher
    Club
    Manchester United
    Premier League (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
    FA Cup (1): 2003–04
    Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
    FA Community Shield (4): 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
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    Scotland
    Kirin Cup (1): 2006

    Park
    Club
    Kyoto Purple Sanga
    J. League Division 2 (1): 2001
    Emperor's Cup (1): 2002
    PSV Eindhoven
    Eredivisie (2): 2002–03, 2004–05
    KNVB Cup (1): 2004–05
    Johan Cruijff-schaal (1): 2003
    Manchester United
    Premier League (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
    Football League Cup (3): 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
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    UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

    Anderson
    Club
    Grêmio
    Campeonato Brasileiro Série B (1): 2005
    Porto
    Portuguese Liga (2): 2005–06, 2006–07
    Taça de Portugal (1): 2005–06
    Portuguese SuperCup (1): 2006
    Manchester United
    Premier League (3): 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
    Football League Cup (1): 2008–09
    FA Community Shield (1): 2011
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
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    Brazil U17
    South American U-17 Championship (1): 2005
    Brazil U23
    Olympic Bronze Medal (1): 2008
    Brazil
    Copa América (1): 2007

    Lampard
    West Ham United
    UEFA Intertoto Cup (1): 1999
    Chelsea
    Premier League (3): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
    FA Cup (3): 2007, 2009, 2010
    League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
    FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
    World Football Challenge (1): 2009
    Barclays Asia Trophy (2): 2003, 2011
    International
    England
    FA Summer Tournament (1): 2004

    Essien
    Club
    Lyon
    Ligue 1 (2): 2003–04, 2004–05
    Chelsea
    Premier League (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
    FA Cup (3): 2006–07, 2008–09, 2009–10
    League Cup (1): 2006–07
    FA Community Shield (1): 2009

    Seedorf
    Club
    Ajax
    Eredivisie (2): 1993–94, 1994–95
    KNVB Cup (1): 1993
    Johan Cruijff-schaal (2): 1993, 1994
    UEFA Champions League (1): 1995

    Real Madrid
    La Liga (1): 1996–97
    Supercopa de España (1): 1997
    UEFA Champions League (1): 1998
    Intercontinental Cup (1): 1998
    Milan
    Serie A (2): 2003–04, 2010–11
    Coppa Italia (1): 2002–03
    Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2004, 2011
    UEFA Champions League (2): 2003, 2007
    UEFA Super Cup (2): 2003, 2007
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2007

    Stankovic
    Red Star Belgrade
    FR Yugoslavia Championship (1): 1994–95
    FR Yugoslavia Cup (3): 1994-95, 1995-96, 1996-97
    Lazio
    Scudetto (1): 1999-00
    Coppa Italia (1): 1999-00
    Supercoppa Italiana (2): 1998, 2000
    Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1998-99
    UEFA Super Cup (1): 1999
    Internazionale
    Scudetto (5): 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10
    Coppa Italia (4): 2004-05, 2005-06, 2009-10, 2010-11
    Supercoppa Italiana (4): 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2009-10
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2010

    Kaka
    Club
    São Paulo
    Torneio Rio-São Paulo: 2001
    Supercampeonato Paulista: 2002
    Copa São Paulo de Juniores: 2000
    Milan
    Serie A: 2003–04
    Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
    UEFA Champions League: 2006–07
    UEFA Super Cup: 2003, 2007
    FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
    Real Madrid
    Copa del Rey: 2010–11
    Country
    FIFA World Cup: 2002
    FIFA Confederations Cup: 2005, 2009

    Cambiasso
    Club
    River Plate
    Argentine Primera División (1): 2002 Clausura
    Real Madrid
    La Liga (1): 2002–03
    Intercontinental Cup (1): 2002
    UEFA Super Cup (1): 2002
    Supercopa de España (1): 2003
    Internazionale
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2009–10
    Serie A (5): 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2009–10
    Coppa Italia (4): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Supercoppa Italiana (4): 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2010

    Gattuso
    Perugia
    Trofeo Giacinto Facchetti: 1
    1995–96

    Serie A: 2
    2003–04, 2010–11
    Coppa Italia: 1
    2002–03
    Supercoppa Italiana: 2
    2004, 2011
    UEFA Champions League: 2
    2002–03, 2006–07
    UEFA Super Cup: 2
    2003, 2007
    FIFA Club World Cup: 1
    2007
    International
    FIFA World Cup: 1
    2006
    UEFA Under-21 European Championship Gold medal: 1
    2000

    Schweinsteiger
    Club
    Bayern Munich Junior Team
    Under 17 Bundesliga (1): 2001
    Under 19 Bundesliga (1): 2002
    Bayern Munich II
    Regionalliga Süd (1): 2004
    Bayern Munich
    Bundesliga (5): 2002–03, 2004–05, 2005–06, 2007–08, 2009–10
    DFB-Pokal (5): 2002–03, 2004–05, 2005–06, 2007–08, 2009–10
    DFB-Ligapokal (2): 2004, 2007
    DFB-Supercup (1): 2010
    [edit]International
    Germany
    FIFA Confederations Cup Third Place: 2005
    FIFA World Cup Third Place: 2006 & 2010
    UEFA European Football Championship Runner-up: 2008

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  8. Rude Bhoy

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    I'm considering average with regards to world class players, not all players in general.

    In that respect, I think he is below average.
     
  9. kris_bhoy_1916

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    As for mascherano he did * all for Liverpool compared to gerrard.
     
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    No it wouldn't Busquets saw off Toure for * sake.
     
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    I don't rate him either, in fairness.
     
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    Mystic like I said individual honours were talking about who is the better player not the better team.
     
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    Bayern, AC Milan and Inter wouldn't.
     
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    Markey didn't and you did after I made an argument.
     
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    He's better than gustavo and alaba. He's better than nocerino and van bomel and he's better than obi and poli.
     
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    Perhaps in a defensive role but he wouldn't want that every week.
     
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    Need to agree to disagree at this point. He's in my top 30 but no higher. On top form he'd be pushing into the top 10. I doubt he'll ever get back to that.
     
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    He would have to definitely have to play cdm at Munich, he wouldn't get ahead of robben ribery. He would get the centre role at Milan and inter though IMO he would probably play attacking midfielder at inter just now.
     
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    I think he would get a start for every team except Barcelona, he'd be on the bench there unless they played him as the left/right sided forward instead of Cuenca or Pedro.
     
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    Bench for Madrid in my opinion and probably City.