Ecstacy Warning

One dodgy pill, if it became legal to possess and supply it then surely these drug dealers who would lose out would make more dodgy pills and flog them for cheap, increasing the amount of health problems and deaths caused?

It's my opinion and it's also the law.

 

Naw it disnae awright

 

A dodgy pill is not the real thing though, I'm talking about the real thing. Yes, you'd probably get more dodgy pills. It's down to your stupidity if you pop something without knowing its contents.

I respect your opinion but disagree.

 

Why would I say anything to my MP? She'd never listen. Like I've said twice already, no politician will touch this issue with a barge pole.

In that case, I'm stopping discussing with you after this post.
You are being willfully ignorant. I'm not trying to insult you, that's just the truth. You have freely admitted you don't care what 'facts and figures' say (ie, reality) and instead will persist in your own narrow-minded viewpoint. If you are unwilling to change your opinion regardless of what truths are presented to you then why should I waste my time?

I've noticed a rather amusing irony in your signature. Am I to assume from your signature that you don't agree with the British government's designation of the IRA (etc etc) as terrorists? But... it's the government, so it must be right?

Could this be a wee double standard?

You've consistently ignored my point about the regulation of drugs being a practical rather than moral issue for legislators.


Shame we can't have a proper debate on this, but a debate only works if a person is willing to examine and rebut those of another person. If you dismiss everything I post without reading it or critically engaging with it, then what's the point?

 

The funny thing is how many people miss the point regarding 'dodgy pills'. Legalisation and regulation would mean less dodgy pills, in the same way that a similar process has done for alcohol, therefore reducing the already minuscule amount of deaths/injuries from these substances.

 

you say legalising drugs will reduce the amount of deaths ...You also argue that alcohol causes a far greater problem than drugs .....Surely then on that theory Drug deaths will be the same maybe more after legalisation ?

 

Exactly.

 

I am looking, I always like a good debate!

The fact that no MP will touch the issue speaks volumes.

I understand all the facts and figures that you have shown me I was merely saying that the law says otherwise and I have the same opinion as what the law states. I'm not being ignorant.

Maybe in a free world everyone could do what they wanted and take drugs but the reality is you cant, I see no good in taking drugs and especially if it's against the law. I won't change my opinion, if the drug is legalised then maybe I would, I'm too much of a law abider I suppose!

My sig? A quote from a song about a hunger striker who believed in non-violent means? Yeh I stand by that.

It's not much of a practical issue, if they believed a general good would come from it then they would attempt to pass the legislation, there seem to be a lot of people for the legalisation of some drugs they would have a good following.

 

No, because alcohol is inherently more dangerous than ecstasy.

 

This is my point as well. No good comes from drugs.

 

But if it was legalised and more widely used then it would be just as bad.

 

People who are going to do drugs are going to get a hold of them.

If legalized, the drugs are no longer dodgy and you would know exactly what your taking. Once you know what your taking, as you can see by the chart, the risks aren't as big as most think.

 

Exactly my point too

Legalised and used by more people i would think that drug deaths would multiply to an alarming level

 

No it wouldn't. The substances themselves are miles apart in terms of levels of addiction and in the way they damage your body, with alcohol being far worse.

Take 100 people who binge drink every day and 100 people who take MDMA ever day (if you could even find anyone that does... I doubt you could) and I guarantee you the alcoholics would be far worse off.

I'll reply to your other post soon btw DB, a bit busy cooking and getting ready to go out (and get drunk :icon_mrgreen: ) at the moment.

 

The argument to legalize drugs (pot mostly being to the point here) because alcohol is legal is *-backwards. Its saying that because one thing is legal, one more thing should be legal.

Drugs are not only addictive (harder stuff anyways) they lead to people being unmotivated (as does alcohol though mind). Why would a government want a large population being unmotivated to do * all besides getting high? There's enough doing nothing but getting drunk already. How is being against worsening the problem hypocritical?

 

Firstly mate the charts from Wikipedia

Dealers will lose everything from it, therefore they would be encouraged to make there own, and sell cheaper versions making dodgy pills causing a lot more problems. And there are still a lot of risks that are posed, it wouldn't be a class A drug otherwise.

 

The usage would increase if legalised causing a lot more problems, if there is such a problem with alcohol why would the government legalise another drug?

Well of course alcoholics will be worse off. People who drink responsible won't suffer much of a problem. If people used these drugs responsible there wouldn't be as much as an issue, it's the abuse that causes most of the problem.

Alcohol, a legal drug haha well I'm in bed eating cookies and watching a film, that's taking up a lot of my time! At least yours is productive!

 

The chart's accurate.

That's a fair point mate.

However, it's all down to that persons stupidity again and taking unknown substances.

These drugs can be used responsibly if legalized. You would get people taking it too far and possibly killing themselves. That's the same with another drug I know, alcohol.

 

People had that same argument with prohibition to be honest. The illegal booze trade is almost dead.