Poppy Thread.

If Celtic hadn't started putting the poppy on our strip again in the first place then Saturday would never have happened. It's hardly fair for the club to put the poppy on our club's strip then deny the fans their right to express their opinion about it.

Whether the manner of the protest was right or not is something people can agree/disagree on but I just wish Celtic had kept the poppy away from our strip in the first place.

 

im not on the huddleboard... point was that that came from your opinion of the site, maybe fact but not provable...

 

You what? No attatchment at all. None at all.

I have given my view and the reasons for it. I have debated with others. but I feel no bad feeling towards anyone or their view. I have said that it doesn't belong at CP in my view. How have I been hypocritical? I have said why I think the banner was wrong and also why I think it shouldn't be in CP. But I also say people can have their view. What's the problem? Mate, you're saying I have little idea. I think you can't very well come in at this stage and say that. I would like to think that anyone who knows me on here to be someone who is open to other viewpoints even if I have my own.

Plenty new names here tonight that I have never seen before.

 

Again, ''brit apologists'' within our support are actually just British people with different political views to yours.


In any case we're obviosuly not going to agree, lets leave it here.

 

For a day that should have been remembered for the brilliant football all the headlines are about a few * idiots again .

 

That sounds like a grand idea

 

Not even Brit apologists. Just someone or some people who observe Rememberance day and buy a Poppy.

Or youre average Irishman that supports Celtic.

 

100% Agree.

 

Fair point and one that applies definitely to the older generation in our support.

Nah no really, I'm Scottish Celt and I know scores of other Scottish Celts who oppose the poppy on the hoops, nothing to do with being Irish or whatever.

 

NickyG, your comments stand out throughout this thread, not only as erudite and well argued but as those of an individual that understands the dynamic and ethos of Celtic Football Club. This thread has become a microcosm of the decline of the central ideologies on which Celtic are founded, reacting more to media headlines and internet forum criticism than the fundamental values of our club. The central Left liberalism which so defined our wonderful club in times gone by has been bought by Sky TV contracts and Chick Young soundbites, and nowhere is that more clear than in this thread.

For those lambasting the GB for expressing their political opinions and 'bringing shame on this club', I am of the genuine belief that it is you of whom the club should be ashamed. You have shunned the principles of activism, free speech and liberal thinking on which our support was built and replaced it with reactive, media wary fear. If your shoulders are not broad enough to deal with the consequences of being part of a dynamic, principled club (principles you need not share but MUST respect their right to be expressed) then you should re-assess what football means to you.

And that brings me onto your second, and equally vacuous criticism, that Celtic Park is no place for politics. Nonsense. Football and sport in general, as a central social institution, will always have a political significance and responsibility. If it were to shun this, it loses the thing which makes it great. For those that argue sport should not be a mechanism on which to place a political message I would ask you to explain away the impact of Jesse Owens' four gold medals at 1936 Berlin Olympics in front of a watching Adolf Hitler, making a mockery of Hitler's racist political stance; to criticise the victory of a mixed race Springbok team in the 1995 Rugby World Cup in bringing latent Apartheid sentiments to their knees; to dismiss the motto emblazoned on the stands of the Nou Camp that declare, explicitly, that the football team is much, much 'mes que un club' (more than a club!).

The day that Celtic Park becomes a sterilised extension of modern media, where autonomy and freedom of expression are frowned upon, will be the day that my pride in the fire that burns in the very core of what Celtic football club means will fade. Take both those arguments and re-assess: you are reducing Paradise to a multi-plex cinema, a Saturday entertainment show that, * forbid, would ever tar you with any controversey or need to exercise independent though.

This thread has gone beyond the issue of the poppy and has become one about the fundamentals of our club. I am frankly digusted to see the number of members on here, especially senior members of these boards, who appear to draw their perception of their own club straight from the pages of media defamations. A sad day.

 

Aye but in talking about the other Poll, we are talking about an Irish-dominated forum as HS said

 

great post

 

very well put, but im not a supporter of the british forces in NI, or the middle east

its that the green brigade have done something that has angered a BIG section of the support, not singing a rebel tune, but staging a protest in OUR name that we do NOT beleive in

this isnt hug a mass-murderer day, its called remembrance day, if you dont want to wear a poppy, dont, simple as that

for us who do want to respect the moment's silence and wear a poppy, this is all we ask: you don't protest, IN OUR NAME, something we do not beleive in or support

every year its the same * man... 2 weeks in the future we'll forget about this and itll be back to us all being friends with each other again...

 

Friend, your fancy words and cleverly-linked paragraphs are every bit as tiresome as the media you mock and could've been lifted right out of 'James * Traynor' sound-bites.

Let's simplify things: would Fergus McCann, Jock Stein, the families of the Celts that died in the war or Brother Walfrid have approved of the 2-bob banners unfurled by the GB on Saturday?

 

Well that's the madness of the whole thing, man.

Sure, why don't we ban you because you're a Celtic fan whose "obviously" utilising the phoenix from the ashes to illustrate Celtics leftist tendencies, and more specifically because of the obvious and longstanding connotations..... "out of the ashes arose the Provisionals" (insert phoenix icon).

That's the point. Some of the guys are being led gullibility by forces that have always been out to do us down.

What if there was a report in the papers in the morning mentioning your profile and describing your avatar as provocative mix of paramilitary/ revolutionary symbology and football that would offend all decent right thinking people in Scotland and Britain? Typical Celtic. You know the craic. Will we lynch you too?

Where do we draw the line? Clearly there is a lot of selectivity from some people, they want their cake and they want to eat it. Want to bask in the reflected glory of following a "super" club yet discard much of what made us such. Want to have a good old moan about SFA corruption and institutionalised bigotry when the tides in favour of that subject, but go back into the shell for other matters.

 

So a well put together post is tiresome? A poor response.

 

Why did you not ask the question for the original dilemma? Would they have brought the poppy to Celtic park in Todays environment?

 

Chick Young can put together good posts as well.

 

If they were asked to do so, yes, every one of them, I have no doubt about that.

Why wouldn't they?