Poppy Thread.

Why cut it out? The lad is allowed to refer to me as,"an idiot", yet i'm not allowed to make a valid point on his posts?

 

In your opinion, but not ours

 

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The Poppy was for both the hero's and dead of WW1. So who came up with the bright idea to use the words “ Bloostained poppy “. I am embarrassed to be sitting here tonight in having to show my disappointment by saying that our fans have went to far with this one.

Don’t get me wrong….

I for one have grown out of support for Nov 11^TH for the solely reason that it’s time has gone.

Why we can’t remember WW2 in May when that war ended I don’t know, proper order and all that. I would have no problems if they where to do this.

The fact that the powers be are continue to using the same date as a remembrance days for all wars and have a continuance of charity fund raising into the bargain is the problem here.

I don’t agree with what our country is doing to other countries at this present time and I know that many funds that are being raised and going to benefits casualties that have been effected by them. Add to that the fact it would look as If I was condoning what they where doing if I was to wear one.

In saying all this……


Our club, right or wrong are being politically correct with their stance whether they agree with it or not is another thing.

It would look better to go with this one than be the only team in Britain to go against it. I reckon SSN wouldn't be as sympathetic as they have been and If we where to go down the other road.[FONT=&quot]
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You just have to take a look at the peace process in Ireland to know that both sides had to do things and say things they didn’t want to or agree with to get them where they are today.

The GB has to get more experience in there ranks if they want to continue down the political front. You are going to have to think of consequences to actions and reactions.
Start playing devils advocate with yourselves and at least then you will have an idea of what the outcome will be to something when you do it.

 

support your club! then why do you think its ok to protest at celtic games if you go there to SUPPORT your team??

 

So you agree with and support political views certain individuals express on Parkhead?

 

Fair enough....your right...most Bishops and Cardinals in Ireland renounced the IRA. They had money, power and did'nt live in fear though. Many Priests did however support the armed struggle. I believe no man should take another life as did most Volunteers i presume however that every soldiers Dilemma

 

So are you telling me that I cannot support and protest during 90 mins of football?

Glasgow Celtic means more to me than you will understand, and to be frank, i'm not going to reply to you again.

However, if you wish to meet in person to discuss the protest, or the fact you insulted me, drop me a message

 

Which political view are you referring to?

 

Why can I not make a valid comment on his post, when he can refer to me as an idiot?

Or are you trying to make a point as you do not share my views?

 

I thought that's what you were implying about in previous post. "your opinion, not ours", thought it was about political views. Is it?

 

Well, when I started going in 1988, it was like a school. I learned more about Politics, life, drink and much more than I did hanging around with morons back home. Celtic made me feel part of a family, belonging. We almost to a man supported the IRA's fight in Ireland.We sang songs of freedom and longed for a day when the British would leave Ireland. Some say we glorified the conflict, we however knew the real nature of the conflict. We read AP and spoke to Celtic fans from Belfast, Derry and other places in the 6 counties. We knew what was really going on in Ireland and not the * force fed to the good people of Scotland. I learned of other places like Palestine and the Basque country.....my mates at home had not a clue where these places were never mind what was going on. We cared about all the underdogs in this world. We supported the team even though we went through the worst 9 years of the clubs history. We did not moan when we were 5th in the table under Motherwell, Aberdeen etc. We were Celtic supporters. We were more than the 90 minutes. We had an identity. We were Scots/Irish and proud. We were socially aware of the poverty in Scotland and our supporters were generally working class because of the lack of opertunities in Protestant Scotland. We did not care though because we were all proud to be Irish. Thats what Celtic was all about to me.

 

That would be like saying the fans who join in with the "* The SFA" chants have no place at a football ground because they too are protesting..

Football grounds are ideal places for getting messages across , especially when the topics have been brought into football in the first place when in years gone by there was never the connection between rememberance day and a football shirt.. Im catholic and didn't agree with the minutes silence that was held at football grounds when the pope died , purely because it's forcing a situation onto others who believe religion and football should be kept seperate.. I agree with the club's stance on the apology and the talk of banning , only bcause I think it's the correct thing to say , but I hope there aren't any fans banned and I hope it leads to communication between the GB and the club on what should be displayed without potentially causing widespread offence to others and bringing bad publicity onto Celtic.. I hope some good comes out of it this year so we don't have to through this continually when November comes around in future years..

 

I, to be quite frank with you, couldn't give a * whether or not his is, "in trouble" or not. Get it in perspective, this is a forum for people to state and discuss their feelings and points of view.

In terms of, "reporting", you have just stated we are not at school. I'd hate to think that by you living your everyday life that you continue to report everything that you do not like. This perhaps says a lot about you.

If you would like to watch the forum closely, knock yourself out, it makes no difference to my life.

I, and other like minded real Celtic fans shall continue to make their voices heard, with no regard to whether you, or others like you are watching or not.

 

There's is a diffrence with the protest of the poppy and a "* the scottish football asociation" chants.

What I've said all day long is its about football and the sfa comes under football, the green brigades banner is a political one.

 

spot on.

green brigade took it * far too far imo hope they do get banned as all this does is give the club a bad reputation once more!!

 

pretty much exactly what i was going to post

 

Of course there's a difference.. My post was a reply to someone's (I think it's vanished) who said you either goto a football ground and support the team or you protest.. You can't do both..

About the GB banner , whether the significance is political or freedom of speech (GB state they are a non-political group) it's easy to see how it can be interpreted as an offensive banner and that's the issue.. That's why the club released an apology to anyone who may be offended and that's why the GB and Celtic should have communication.. They could probably have done things a little different , got their message across without causing any offense and anyone making a big fuss out of it would be seen as the people with the problem , rather than pointing the finger at the GB..

 

The GB will not get banned. They are the club

 

i wish the green brigade would stick to their original sentiments. that was to create a better atmosphere and some colour to celtic park. quite how that involves spouting political views to the country. im sure people have enough savvy to make their own minds up about these issues. this kind of carry on make us look idiots.