Basque Terrorists declare Ceaefire

Basicly mate what your trying to put your point is, you believe in genocide but dont believe in rebels?

 

Eh!?

To put it frankly: What kind of utter misquote and misinterpretation is that?!? Feeble attempt at twisting it round I think.

So, NO, is the answer.

 

No, i dont misread what you said, you wanted to put the conversation to present and i told you why in todays terms they are here. So dont accuse me on what I have mislead or misunderstood. Its you that cant see the fact that the ETA have a cause.

Spanish goverment murdered inoccent Basque politicans and gave life sentances before ETA were made. ETA were born due to that cause. Cease fire has begun I hope not. If so am dissapionted. People cant see who started the war between the basques and the goverment. If you think the ETA are terriosts then please read about how it came along. Im done with this thread people cant face the fact that ETA are fighting for a cause.

 

... you know that Franco died and that Spain has long-since turned into a successful, modern European state, don't you?

 

Why are you brining up Franco? did i mention Franco?

and? Spain is successful? and? your point is? what has that got to do with this thread.

 

troops i think you all need to get a wee rest here tbh! your all having a go at each others views on this without actually thinking or stateing about this ceasfire! personally! i think eta are full of * and will break this so called ceasfire sooner than you think! but hey thats only my opinion though.

 

Crikey, issues like this seem to bring out a whole rainbow of wrongness.

In reality, there's a lot of things that are true at the same time -

ETA are freedom fighters - they are fighting for the political freedom of the Euskal Herria.

ETA are terrorists - they use terror tactics to achieve their aims - their whole modus operandi is based around using violence to leverage a political solution.

The Spanish government (like most governments) are terrorists - they use terror tactics to achieve their aims, and were doing so with regard to the Basque Country before ETA were ever formed.

The great majority of Basque folk are opposed to ETA - indeed it could be argued that they have turned popular opinion away from autonomy, because people have realised it just doesn't mean enough to them to justify 50 years of slaughter.

In Franco's day, ETA's existence made sense as a kind of mirror image of the brutal military dictatorship, fighting fire with fire. But that was 35 years ago. Spain is a democracy now: and however we define the word, it's a sight more democratic than it would be if ETA had free rein.

Ceasefire is good. Now the ball is in the Government's court. Are they going to respond & open up dialogue, or are they going to be typical * politicians? We shall see.

 

*freedom fighters, and there's no chance the spanish government will negotiate

 

the best thing to do is for them to swallow their pride and say * it! what do you want and we can see what to do about it? if it brings peace and tranquility to spanish people? then great! but like i said . i think they will * up the ceasefire sooner than you think tbh?

 

That's just * stupid, mate.
Did I state that they were terrorists because they oppose Spanish rule in the Basque Country? No.
Completely aside of the issue if their should be an independent Basque Country, we can judge that ETA is responsible for a lot of civil deaths, most of whom were Basques themselves.
Why wouldn't that make them terrorists?

By the way. I would like to know if all those people in here who call ETA freedom fighters and justify their acts of violence have ever been to the Basque Country...

Have you?

 

Since when did 'freedom fighters' target civilians?

 

something like less then a percent of people from the basque region support the eta am i correct?

 

Its stupid how there goverment killed innocent Basques aye? are you blind or something!

You go on about how the killed inoccent people when the Goverment started it !!!!!!! HELLOOOOOOOOOO :bbpd::bbpd::bbpd::bbpd::bbpd::bbpd:

Aye i have been there and meet a taxi driver that is a basque separatists and telling me how they are torturing inoccent civillians to this day.

 

Word of warning for you.....troll again with the smileys stunt and you'll get a holiday to cure your itchy finger. Debate like an * or not at all.

 

I am debating like a * but with the smiles is to far yes. The fact is i have already pointed out my answer and it gets repeated which is annoying.

 

You kicked the * out of using the smileys and trolled another member...count yourself lucky I didn't immediately infract you for it.

Don't reply to this message, just keep the thread on topic and know I and other staff do keep an eye on what is being posted.

 

terrorists or freedom fighters?

one has to step back and take an impartial view..

any group that has any credibility to their name does not harm civillians.

don't the basques already have full autonomy?

 

Nice way of debating you've got, mate.
But please tell me, how many innocent Basques have been harmed by the Spanish government lately? I wonder if you can come up with any numbers.

 

the eta have murdered around 350 innocent people, the spanish government between 1984 and 1987, used death squads to kill 27 innocent people

murder IS wrong, and there is blood on the hands of those on both sides

IF we were to use the logic that the group to have killed the least amount of innocent people are the "good guys", then the Provisional IRA killing 600 innocent people (compared to the combined british and loyalist effort of 1200 innocent people) are little angels, obviously NOT the case

 

they are a semi-autonomous community,
they make their own laws and govern themselves similar to the Catalans, though they are still under spanish constitutional law, alike northern ireland is to the UK (separate country, parliament etc territorially the UK)