Neil Lennon - All Chat In Here

Why do we keep hearing Lennon and the board getting unjust criticism at this early stage?

The fact is; Lennon has reduced the wage bill selling all the top earners, having a mass clear out in the process.

We have brought in an experienced international in defence, 2 wing backs and a highly sought after Wales captain all for under £600,000!!

We will still have 10m in the bank after stokes is signed for 2m

We got put out of Europe, so what?? The league is more important!! The team is going through a transitional period.

Why are people questioning the purchase of stokes??? Lennon has brought in 2 out and out goalscorers in stokes and hooper after failing in his efforts for bellamy and hapoels top scorer.

Lennons work is not finished, when he finds his best 11, they may take a few months to gel and only then should he be judged IMO.

Why are people also desperate to spend every penny we have taken in?? I would rather wait until the right players are available at the right price, in January this may prove to be our trump card when rangers have spent all of their budget.

Thoughts????

 

brilliant agree 110% mate
Hail Hail:icon_mrgreen:

 

agree 100% with everything youve said.

 

Pele - I agree with what you say.........other than the 'few months to settle in' - by that time we could be 4 or 5 pts behind and pressure could be on.

Our passing was terrible in 2nd half yesterday (Brown main culprit) and I think Lennon needs to get 1 or 2 out the door (Samaras, Loovens) and get a settled team for a run of games and let them build a relationship.

 

great points, a few more out and a few more in then bring it on..................

 

hit the nail on the head . I get * of with people on here criticising leenon at this early stage , give him a season at least ffs.

 

Here here. I can't criticise so early but all I can say is that the areas being addressed now maybe could have been done sooner rather than later. It was a big blow that we lost our striker in Hooper so early.
Europe, imo was not important this year. The last 2 succesful managers (GS, MON) were out of europe early in their first seasons. We have had a great start to the SPL season with 2/3 being very good performances. Once the team is completely settled we will be fine. Just get the defence to play as a unit, get the strikers scoring, our midfield is looking stronger.
Good to see it's not all doom and gloom from everybody yet.

 

So...in your first paragraph you disagree with him, then make the exact same statement as the one you disagreed with....eh?

 

Totally agree, as I said in my 'dont believe the negative hype' thread you would think reading the papers and phone ins lennon is due to get the boot. 3 games, 3 wins, 6 goals for, 0 against, 9 points. Top of the league. All that from a team still getting to know each other. Some Celtic fans need 2 stop getting so hysterical, they are panicking we are not going to win the league. A few injuries and suspensions to Rangers and their *.

 

I think this will happen in time, big Sam, loovens and eventually brown will leave.

The question is do you start offering them to clubs lowering their value? I don't think we should, keep them as back ups at the moment and sell them come January if we get a dent offer or after we win the league (hopefully).

The fact brown is captain could go 2 ways IMO, if lennons got the balls to drop him if he continues underperforming (which I think he has) could lower his value, but on the other hand could make him a better player and the fact he was the captain, may very well get us a decent offer at the end of the season.

Sammy is a different case - 1 year left on his contract. Sell him or offer him a new contract. Personally I can't decide?!!

 

Agree100%

 

The same thing happened to WGS in his first season and we all know how that season ended :icon_mrgreen:

 

I would guess its because of a few reasons.

The board have went for a cheap option in appointing Lennon. Not one other club was interested in him as a manager, we were. Why?

They (in a statement from Reid) said that all monies made from player sales would be reinvested in the team. So far its not. Why?

There is an undoubted policy to offload all the high wage earners. Why? Last season we won 8 on the bounce at the tail end (not under pressure tbf) and promptly ripped the team apart. Why?


As for Lennon.

He has brought in a backroom team who have little or no experience. Why?

He has brought in some decent looking signings but some highly suspect ones as well. Are Cha, Mulgrew and Murphy eg really good enough? A third choice keeper from what is essentially an English championship team. Why?

If he is in control of transfers (which I think we all know he's not) then you would have to ask why he has got rid of all of our best players from last season. Including the one man (Boruc) who was very popular with a lot of fans.


You also said that you dont care about Europe which I find a bit strange tbh. As a club, and a business, we must be aiming for prolonged runs in it. We would make more money for gaining entry to even the EL group stage than we would for winning the SPL. More money = more quality. Or should in theory. Our abysmal showing has almost certainly cost us even a chance of having a second CL spot.

We've deluded ourselves into thinking that the huns are * poor. The truth is (in comparison to us) they are not. As much as it sickens me to say so.

Lastly, if the stories about their finances are true, we were in a position to bury them for years to come like they tried to do to us in the 90's. The fact we have let them off the hook to the extent we have is almost unforgivable imo.

 

Agree with Pelethebhoy 100%.

Disagree with pod 100%.

 

I've only asked a few questions and stated a few facts. Feel free to tell me what iyo you think I've got wrong.

 

Brown played well yesterday again. What is it with this negative crap towards Brown. Is this because he is meant to be a hun?

 

i agree with you on most points but the only thing i can say lennon got badly wrong this summer, was going after over aged has beens and also wasting his own time going after a few other players aswell, well going out of the champions leauge and then europa leauge aswell

james, glad he never came up the road and his family wanted to stay down south, time wasted

sol campbell, he offerd a reported 35k a week 2 year deal, and he like james strung us along, well campbell took the * really and lennon let him, again glad he is a newcastle with his belly

bellamy, not over the hill or has been, but we went in for him and was waiting again to hear back from him and then cardiff wanted him and he knocked us back, home club or because of family still a waste of lennon's time

weiss, who went to rangers instead because of champions leauge football, glad because forrest will get a chance but, why go for him in the first place when we have a young player like forrest in the wings, also he is not over the hill aswell


i think lennon could have got some of the players he has brung in alot more early if it was not for these players messing us about, and that is down to lennon's judgement, no-one else

also he has crashed out of europe before the end of august

the big plus under him is the spl season top of the leauge and 3 out of 3 won

most fans want us to spend some money since he has got a nice lump sum of it, and we need a ST who will get us 20-30 goals a season, it would be nice to wait till jan time but if we got the right man in now he could get us them goals and we could be doing alot better in jan time

instead of getting in a player like keane in jan again (like we did with bellamy aswell) and not win the leauge again


there has been good and bad points to lennon this summer, he is a new manager and will make mistakes, and will make more of them aswell and also will get better

am backing lennon he is the man in charge at parkhead


also you are gona come under fire when you get knocked out of both champions leauge and then europa leauge the way we did, it's not unfair for people to have a go about it

 

Well to start with Lennon was given a trial period and won every game apart from the Ross County game. In my opinion it wasn't the cheap option, he deserved a shot and has still got a 100% SPL record. Who else was on the shortlist that realistically would have came? And what's to say the new manager wouldn't flop like Mowbray and lose us more money and put us further behind Rangers?

You mentioned players that we had sold and the only two players that I was really bothered about leaving was Boruc and McGeady. Boruc's form hadn't been the best and he was on the last year of his contract. Better getting some money in for him instead of letting him go for nothing. McGeady went for £9.5m. Can't really turn that down although I was sad to see him go.

The money you say that was suppose to be reinvested in the team, is that not what's been happening? We've brought in at least 10 players with a few more to come hopefully. Lennon would have brought in the likes of Bellamy and Keane if they would have made the move but they've chose not to. You can't say you want them to just spend the money on any tom * or harry just to please some of the fans that are desperate for a new signing. I'd rather we spent our money wisely than waste it on squad players.

 

Exactly how many decent managers were interested in the Celtic job? whether we like it or not we have to admit we are no longer seen as an attractive club to move to (as player or manager). Although it's a huge risk appointing a rookie manager there didn't seem to be much of a choice, at least with Lennon he showed what he could do with a bunch of no-hopers towards the end of last season?

As all the transfer dealings are for undisclosed amounts how do you know how much is left? For all we know the money brought in from transfers could have been used for signing fees and to cover their wages, that might have been part of the deal, might not, simple fact is neither you nor I know for sure.

Additionally, we don't know if Lennon was given the money for players but the players he wanted didn't want to come, we certainly know he tried for a few big name signings but all turned us down.

Last season we were rank rotten and almost everyone was complaining we needed a complete clear out, now that it's happening you are complaining we're doing it. We're getting rid of the high earners because we can't afford them or because they refused a contract extension and therefore it was decided to take the money now for them rather than lose them for nothing next season.

He know's them and trusts them, I'm not too happy with that but it's too early to judge them they could turn out to be a very good team.

Mulgrew was signed as a squad player, Lennon said so himself in one of the Q&A's according to someone who was at them, it's way too early to judge any of the new players as good or bad signings, they need a run of 6 or 7 games at least to be judged. I don't care about their previous records as long as they perform in the Celtic jersey, I'm willing to give them all a chance to show what they can do.

Speak for yourself we all don't think the same as you, I for one believe he is in charge of transfers, I've seen nothing to suggest he's not. He got rid of Boruc because it was money now or nothing in 12 months as he'd refused a contract extension, a gamble but an understandable one. Of the other players he's got rid off, none of them are world beaters and it was obvious to most a clear out was needed.

Qualification for the Europa League last season got us around £2million in income, not exactly a huge amount, if missing out on Europe for one season lets us win back the league then it's worth it for me as the league is our bread and butter and until we improve the squad sufficiently Europe can only ever be a bonus and should not be our main focus.

It's not just Celtic's performance that cost us the second CL squad that more to do with the state of Scottish Football as a whole and for another thread.

I couldn't care less about the huns, how they play or what their finances are doesn't concern me, they aren't going out of business and will likely be our main rivals for the forseeable future. As long as Celtic keep winning what they do is of no concern, we need to concentrate on Celtic not the huns.

 

can i ask why do you think that europe was not important this year? because of us getting knocked out of the champions leauge again we have handed more money to rangers to clear the debt they have, lost ranking points again with uefa for scotland

and then our fall back cup the europa leauge we got pumped by a side who finsihed 7th in the dutch leauge, again we have lost more money and even more ranking points for scotland

it's very important for celtic to be playing in europe, the difference under MON and WGS is we had a better ranking in europe than we do now, so it was even more important this time we got into one of them and we failed

so saying it's not important is just madness mate