Have the Strachan haters got what they deserved?

good stuff m8 i agree with ya there

wee ginger was a winner in his spell afterall we did need to change mowbrays time was tested as soon as he turned up and couldnt handle the media also kilmarnock cup game told the story ,brown put on at left back and grabbing captains armband just didnt look right that nite think it spelled it all out ,

think we can only look foward now .

keep the faith

 

Got to love the "I told you so" thread Henke!

 

The last thing this message board needs is more manager-fanboys rather than supporters of the club.

I was indifferent to the firing of Strachan and I was indifferent to the hiring of Mowbray. I thought that if Strachan was going to go, we needed to bring in someone better than him. We didn't. Letting go of Strachan wasn't the wrong move... the gutless displays against Hearts and Hibs last year really was unforgivable. I'll never forgive him for letting the team give up last year. However, appointing Mowbray was underwhelming and I had a bad feeling about it.

 

Well said
Like it or not the man is going down in the history books as one of the most sucsessful managers we've ever had

 

What about the other 3 and a half years of his reign.

Some people just refuse to see the positives in Strachans reign, its sad really.

 

it does not matter if you liked strachen or not we did not have to pay money to get him and when he left we did not have to pay him tm is walking away with 2million and has left use with a team that is in a state that going to take some working on but lets hope that the good time are around the corner

 

I was not a fan of WGS in the end and anyone is welcome to search and see my posts. However I now wonder where we would be if he had stood firm and been given the same financial support to turn things around Mowbray did???

 

I was not a fan i thought we could have done better than strachan i thought mobray would have done better i was wrong it didnt work out so now we will move on, although wgs was successful he does deserve praise!!!

 

He does indeed deserve praise. Particularly for some of the home results he pulled off in the Champions League.

He does not deserve any praise for the style of football he had us playing though.

 

There was a thread on the net spend of Mowbray last night and it didn't amount to a great deal when you take the £7m taken in January and the money recieved for Donati , into account.. Strachan would have started with the same predicament of having 3 players leaving in JVOH , Naka and Hartley..

I think Strachan would probably have kept faith in the same guys he already brought here so that would have meant no need for a left back in Braffhied because he'd have stuck with Naylor and Wilson , he'd have stuck with O'Dea , Loovens , Heid and McManus , Skippy and Robson so there would probably have been no need for Rogne , Thompson , Hooiveld , Kamara or Keane , and by doing very little he'd probably have given us a title challenge.. Strachan was very much about the "here and now" , while it was obvious Mowbray had an attitude that things would all come together in the long run..

Im greedy because I want someone to come in and fit both those profiles.. Win immediately while building a team to win for years to come..

I think we all feel the same..

 

Which is more important, winning or style of play?

For me, winning is by far the most important thing and if you can do it with a bit of style and flair, even better but a win is a win and that has to be the priority of any Celtic team or manager over trying to entertain fickle fans.

 

Congratulating WGS for his first title win would be like congratulating Smith for this year. Then we won a title largely due to fatigue at Rangers. Strachan was an average manager who did very well in Europe for two years. His last year was really bad though... it's not uncommon for clubs to need to change direction every few years. Wenger and Fergy are the exceptions, not the norm.

The last half of last year was an embarrassment, a total embarrassment. We caved and had no spine; the manager has to be responsible. Just because Mowbray is worse than Strachan (last year) doesn't mean that it wasn't time for Strachan to go. Strachan failed, then the board failed in adequately replacing him, and then Mowbray decided to continue the trend and absolutely bombed.

 

I think we had become a team that created far too few chances per game and were reliant on taking at least two of those to win a match , because we'd also become a team that conceded a high percentage of goals from chances that the opposition had.. Failure to deal with high balls into the box being the same problem again this season..
That's where I think people are going with the style of play thing.. The Tynecastle game near the end of last season as an example.. The title is on the line , we get a first minute goal and then do nothing of note , getting totally outplayed for the following 60 minutes before making subs and then we get another shot on goal , put on a bit of late pressure but not enough to create a winner.. Too often we had games in the palm of our hand only to go to sleep and let teams back into it.. 2-0 up at home to Dundee Utd and our lead at the top heading to 10 points , we feel it's job done , take off Sammy who's scored both , concede two goals and are hanging on for a point by the final whistle... One up at Fir Park in a crunch game , (or 4 goals up in the earlier 4-2 game) start trying to see the game out with 30 minutes to play , drop down a gear and concede an equaliser and then we don't have another gear to go up.. It's still all too fresh in my memory..

The one thing Strachan did that I wouldn't bank on many managers doing is having a right stinker of a start to his tenure and then slowly but surely turning it around..

Although TM had a decent start , once one thing went wrong it was never far away that something else got the better of him and probably the whole thing consumed him.. I think it's vital for the next permanent appointment to get off to a flier..
With Lenny Im not sure what pressure will be involved.. I'd have thought it's a 9/10 game learning experience to test himself but because he wants the job full time , he'll be out there giving it laldy like his life depends on it which might make it extra intense for him..
I think tomorrow becomes an absolutely massive game because of that which makes it become the first game of our new boss..

Out of curiosity.. If winning the 10 games over both competitions is a must for Lenny to get the job permanently , is there anyone who's already of the thinking they'd rather us lose one of which are relatively meaningless league games , just so it means that there's a guarantee of a different boss being appointed permanently in the summer , or do you think fairs fair , if he were to win all 10 games then he deserves the job full time.. Im all for the idea that winning the 10 games automatically makes him our next permanent boss..

 

History will remember the winners not how they won.

GS blew Rangers out of the water 2 seasons on the trot then wobbled but ultimately won, winning is winning. You dont want to give credit where credit is due then we have nothing left to discuss.

His last season was poor and there was contributing factors outside the managers control. Anyways what I said isnt about whether Strachan should have stayed or not. I dont think he should have, GS didnt want to stay and so we come to Mowbray

Strachan didnt have a £65k Robbie Keane at his disposal, if he did have him for the last 6 months of his reign I do believe the outcome would have been alot different. We were crying out for a serious goal threat 12 months ago. Anyways, if and buts.

The guy that went for results lasted 4 years and has a record comparable to Martin O'Neill and technically more successful than MON, the guy that tried to entertain lasted 9 months and made Barnes look alright....

Did you ever watch Man United during the 90's they grinded out more wins playing * than I care to remember. What do Man United fans remember about the 90's? WINNING and celebrating winning, thats it!! Go ask one if you dont believe me

Wenger wouldnt get away with not bring in silverware and the way teams like Bolton and Blackburn play always cause his team serious trouble, those are the sort of teams you get every week in the SPL and you can forget about good pitches aswell.

 

I did post about this already in the Lennon thread

I'd consider stop supporting Celtic if there are fans like that tbh

Some people just want a soap opera if thats the case. They be best off taking up Coronation Street.

People going against their manager from the off just to see them gone. First came Strachan, 2nd came Mowbray, another tenure of that *?? No thanks!

 

Huns finished behind Hearts though so we didn't have a team challenging one year although it could be argued we had two teams challenging I suppose , but the huns totalled 72 points and 73 points in there first two seasons of the Strachan era.. They have 67 points right now with 10 league games to go.. It probably needs a bit more thought to measure what is acceptable (I reckon we should be getting 90 points every season , and no excuses) but purely from a point of beating what you are up against there is no knocking Strachan for that and it's probably ironic that when he was winning league titles he was also competing on the Champions league front and in the season when the league title collapsed it happenned when we didn't have any distractions or prioritising games such as Europe after Christmas..

 

So when Rangers dont get within an earshot of us, winning the title doesnt count? The manager shouldnt get the kudos for getting a Celtic team to the championship?? Am I hearing this right?

Do you think that Rangers supporters wont celebrate long and hard winning this title or completing back to back success? Yea....

 

Which is more important? Sorry but I see no reason to make that choice.

It should be entirely feasible to win trophies and play a brand of football that is good to watch.

I don't know if you regard me as one of the 'fickle fans' or not but I have been entirely consistent in my time on this board as regards playing good football. Entertaining the fans is something Celtic have a tradition of doing and seeing my team playing a style of football that is not boring is important to me.

If you're happy to win matches in a scrappy fashion week after week, season after season then that's your prerogative. But for me that just won't do.

 

I'll put my hands up and say I wanted WGS out and was optimistic about Mowbray but was wrong.

What I will say is that I don't think WGS would have done any better!