so what exactly have we learned?

on the basis of the football team and management (only) exactly what have we learned so far this season about them. no because mogga is hopeless or the team are pish etc.

a genuine intake on thoughts on how we have dipped and why we have dipped so quickly and shockingly? we have seen lots of woeful displays from the team and management thus far what in your eyes and thoughts have you learned about this season?

 

We've learnt that moggas a *

don't like him at all

 

I have learned that a Celtic manager only gets 3 months to prove himself before the daggers are drawn. I have also learned that a lot of Celtic fans want silky soccer but aren't prepared to wait any length of time to see it.

In some ways that disappoints me more than the poor results the team has been having.

 

TM just doesnt have what it takes to be a good boss of celtic fc.He just doesnt have the pressence for it .Time to move on mogga.

I wasnt one for always yapping on about the manger on forums untill now ,he has to go ,end off .I honestly cant see us wining the scots cup with this team and if hibs go on a good run then they could finish 2nd because we arnt going to win all the rest of our games we have

 

It's a matter of consistency, above all else.

This season we have, because of injuries and transfers, been unable to field a consistent XI for long periods of the season. This means players haven't been able to find a rhythm or develop a good enough understanding, and this results in inconsistent performances and results.

Consistency is key for any side, especially those challanging for a League title. A League set up is designed to ensure that the team picking up the most consistently good results wins. Sadly, that has been the Huns. The reason for that is they've stuck with the same team (not through choice) for, what, nearly three years?

That builds consistency. A consistent run with the same players cuts out mistakes and builds a rythme. We haven't been able to do that this season, and have been poor as a result. If Mowbray can bring together a few more players of the quality he has already bought and get a consistently fit XI together then I have little doubt that we'll win the League next year, and build on that.

 

FFS man , think about it .he would have got more time to prove himself if we were at least half decent. we are a * laughing stock at the moment .Im old enough to remeber th 90s but FFs this season has been just as bad .

 

Some common sense at last. Nice one.

 

I dont think that TM knows what this means, even when our injury list wasnt as bad he still made some crazy changes

 

i expect there were quite a few man utd fans out there who wanted sir furious sacked from his job back in the early days of his utd employment......his board kept the faith and he built a dynasty. i'm not for one minute suggesting we can do what man utd have done under sir alex......but it proves that in backing your manager you can get long term rewards that outweigh short term disappointments.

 

this is about what you really think exactly has went wrong this season!

not mogga bashing or team bashing . we know this cos its been said.but as to what you have learned about all this season.

 

Sorry but I don't buy it. Even when we were top of the league earlier in the season Tony Mowbray was copping it every time we didn't win a game. There were people calling him a c*** after the Dinamo game ffs.

This season has been disappointing and I'm not denying it but some people have just been waiting with their axe wielded for Mowbray to slip up.

 

good post.

 

THe guys a * ballon ,the quicker he gets told to get the * the better .I think our best moment of this season is when he gets sacked in a few months

 

did we have to wait under MON or WGS? i think not.times up TM

 

I have learned that the squad of players we had at the start of this season wasn't any better than the Rangers squad. A popular myth that is often put forward by some Celtic fans.

The other thing I've learned is something I already knew. Like PRD said, if you make too many changes to a football team in too short a space of time you will fall victim to inconsistency. That's exactly what has happened to us this season.

 

thats a decent shout.

 

To be able to dip you have to at first be somewhere above dipping point and we've never even got there under Mowbray..
It's a continuation of what went on at the end of the previous era.. Our 8 point lead going to 4 points behind in the space of 5/6 months to lose the league , and TM has taken us 10 to 13 points behind in the space of 9 months to lose the league so it's not really changed much but it does feel so much worse as peoples patience is wearing thin , and the huns are lording it..<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

 

There are many lessons to take form this season, indeed a manager must be given time to prove his worth.

Its like any relationship thats new we need to get to know the man and his way of thinking, his playing style and his attitude toward the game.

With that said, here is how he approaches the game:

and I quote (from another thread):

"If you want a team that plays expansive football . . . it can be like a roller-coaster at times and you are going to have days where you are going to lose some goals and you are going to have days where you have some great victories, and, hopefully fantastic football. That’s the journey you go on.”

So its a theme park ride with ups and downs, all part of the game, a big happy fun filled ride.

Easy come easy go that's the way.

Forget about consistency, forging a winning mentality to try an win every game, no no...... its about taking risks....riding the rollercoaster to play "silky football" (which has yet to transpire on the pitch this season).

I have learned we have a manager that builds from the front from day one, leaving a weak back line, injuries or no.

I have learned that we have a manager that has zero European experience.

I have seen little in the way of man management of team building skills with "who's the captain this week" type fiasco's to leaving a hungry goal scorer on the bench whilst playing proven duds.

I have learned that some of us have very short memories and overlook the fact that no one was complaining about refs a few seasons ago when we were winning.

I have learned that many fans will continue to defend a 13 point gap blindly and back the captain of a ship that continues to sink.

 

At the start of the season players like Fox , Mcgeady and Robson had been talking about how happy they were playing for TM.. The compliments have dried up since he went public about wanting to ship 10 of them out.. Skippy has had the hernia problem which was kept fairly quiet , not sure when it first bothered him but could be due to that or being the alledged "media mole" that saw him drop down the ranks..
Skippy hasn't always been flavour of the month.. Strachan benched Skippy and didn't even give him a minute on the park in the 1-0 defeat at the snakepit a couple of years ago when it looked like being the game that killed our title challenge and he also went with Killen as a man up front option in a European game we really needed to take something from so there's times when managers do what they do , even though we can't see the logic in it..

It's human nature that you complain when you are unhappy and I know there's always Celtic fans who will still be unhappy when we are winning but Im sure they can overlook the poor ref decisions when the result goes the right way..

You are a quick learner as we've only been 13 points behind for a few hours , but it's not defending him blindly.. He gets plenty criticism from me for much of what he'd done wrong anyway but I'll still defend him for certain aspects that have been out of his control..

 

PRD makes some good points about the benefits of consistency in terms of team selections, even when not blighted by injuries etc. It goes beyond that. Chopping and changing for the sheer sake of it seems all to common.

We have learnt that even when Mowbray stumbles upon a pairing that does work, like N'Guermo & Crosas, it doesn't mean he is going to use them.

That for a man who spent his playing days as a defender, teaching fellow defenders the bread and butter stuff, is beyond his capacity or is unwilling to tailor his tactics to compensate for these weaknesses.

That there has been a series of signings that don't seem to have much in the way of joined-up thinking. Loan signings are band-aids, not solutions.

That buying a LB, something we have been in desperate need of for years, only to let him go months later for a marginal profit is considered good sense. That to bring in a replacement who is really just a stop gap option will leave us where we started. Oh, dear... I see a trend developng here.

That releasing 2 CB (and understandably so) & only bringing in 1 1st team replacement - and a player who was not match ready at that - coupled with the return of a player from loan, along with yet another project player. Does it surprise anyone that 2 rookies have been forced into service by leaving this area short?

That fitting square pegs in round holes is something of a byword. Be it with players like Kamara, who is not naturally a wide player in wide positions, or with substitutions, such as Brown as a LB, or Fox into CM.

That substitutions should be used wisely. The use of Fox in CM against Moscow, or Brown as a LB at Killie reaps rewards. Opps, we lost those games too. Or taking off a MF & replacing him with a FWD is how you defend a lead.

That you sell the one forward we have who has a record of scoring regularly, and bring in a replacement poacher - but never play him. Yep. Loads of sense.

We have learned that you need players that compliment each other. The practice of playiing Sammy alongside Fortune was toothless as they both want to do the same thing, and neither of them want to play in the box... Hmm. Conundrum... what to do, what to do, what to do... I know... We'll bring in 2 other forwards built in this same mould, Keane & Kamara.

That if McGeady is having a bad day, Mowbray's Celtic has a bad day. Can you say, over-reliance?

That when it comes to European football, TM didn't so much seem naive, more clueless.

That leadership is no longer a pre-requisite. I can think of 7 different players that have worn the armband this season. By anyone's standards that is beyond the ridiculous.

That we don't look anything like a team, more a collection of individuals. This was highlighted by the incident on the weekend where Kamara had a drop ball and kicked it into touch near the corner flag. He was then surrounded by 3 or 4 huns. Not a single Celtic player had his back. Right or wrong, no one backed him up. If that had've happened when MO'N was here there would've been the likes of Thompson, Lennon & Sutton to stick up for their team mate.

That no team, foreign or domestic, is afraid of a trip to Celtic Park. A fact born out by a single win in Europe at home, knocked out of the LC at home & that we are 3rd on the 'home' SPL table.

Is that enough?