Should rebel songs be sung at games?

^ I don't believe putting a poppy on a football shirt is a geniune way to remember the ordinary folk who died in war. It's a desperate and cynical attempt by a under-pressure incumbent government to drum up a bit of patriotism. I can't think of anything more political than that.

 

I think we should start playing songs about the Jacobites, Wallace, Bruce and so on as well as some of the unoffensive Irish ones.

Maybe we should try and live up to our name as the CELTIC fOOtball Club instead of the Irish fOOtball Club.

As I get older and more level headed the whole getting * off Celtic fans for wearing Kilts and Saltires is getting very boring.

Albannach for half time entertainment??? Highly unlikely

This isn't an anti Irish post btw, half my heritage is Irish and some of my best friends are Irish.

 

How so?

Wearing a poppy is just a way of paying some respect to the victims of two horrific conflicts. Patriotism has nothing to do with it.
Everyone knows that the poppy is about solemn remembrance, not nationalistic drum beating. The exception, it seems, is a section of Celtic fans who object to it. IMO, it is fans like you who desperately want it to be political, so you've got one more thing to rebel against.

 

I don't object to the poppy and I didn't say it had anything to do with patriotism. The poppy itself is not political. Putting it on a football top most definitely is.

 

I don't sing the rebel songs. I don't necessarily disagree with the songs themselves, I just think that Celtic Park isn't the place to sing them. However, I do feel that some younger and more impressionable fans may think that they have to have an interest in republicanism in order to feel like a real fan. Being rebellious comes natural to teenagers so they may feel peer pressured into joining in when people are singing the rebs.

I see nothing political in remembering those unfortunate enough to have lost their lives in a war. Like gunt said, we're remember them, not the politicians who started the war.

 

So what's the difference between having it pinned on a t shirt/suit and having it printed on a football top?

 

Which ones are offensive?

If people want to sing rebel songs they should be allowed to, i can't think of any reason why they should be banned. Games are far better with an atmosphere imo.

 

you have completely lost me there mate. I think we are on the same side of the debate though

 

I think he was agreeing with your post.

RTFT = Read the * thing/thread?

 

If I wear a poppy (and I do) that's my own personal choice. I'm not talking about the individuals who choose to wear it. I'm talking about the GOVERNMENT who's idea it was to print poppies on football tops for their own cynical and selfish reasons. Why can't you make the distinction?

 

Correctamundo.

What does the government have to gain by 'forcing' clubs to wear a flower on their chest?]

I said 'forcing' because no clubs were forced now, were they.

 

No but I never said they were.

What do they gain from it? It helps them garner support and legitimizes their current wars amongst other things.

 

Probably only about one in a thousand people see remembrance in relation to modern wars.

 

I get it now

 

Explain how please.

You don't have a problem with a normal poppy, you wear one yourself. That's all fine. But the minute it's on a football top, it's suddenly an evil tool of propaganda?

 

And I'm not one of them. I already said I had nothing against the poppy and that I even wore one. I have grandparents who fought in both wars. But I can see through this for what it really is. It's not a geniune act of remembrance. It's an exploititave attempt by the British government to bind themselves and their current policies to the men who fought and died for our country.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the poppy appeal a non government charity organisation?

 

Yes, but I don't see what that has to do with the discussion. It was the British government's idea to print them on football tops and I think we all know why.

 

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Keep this thread on track ,look at the title again lads and if this goes well off topic like talking about Poppies etc ,it will be closed.