Should rebel songs be sung at games?

I must apologise but that is one post i NEVER thought i would see in a CELTIC forum.
wow.

 

ElPaso, Celtic is a club open to all is it not?

 

I am one of these supporters, my family are all Irish but i am Scottish through and through and im afraid I don't have any feelings for Ireland whatsoever!

 

i wouldn't chant pro ira songs myself. It really bugs me when you get people who are not irish who sing these pro republican songs...im not going to dwell in the whole 'plastic paddy' *, but i always believed where your born and raised is where your from, that just my opinion. I do want to point out though that i don't mean 'you can only sing republican songs if your Irish etc', it's just how relevant can it be to someone who hasn't lived through the troubles? thats just my opinion anyway

 

Ye i agree with you here, alot of ppl who sing these songs have probably never been in Ireland before..... it's laughable!

 

remembering people who have murdered irish catholics we should have a choice who we remember

 

as is politics

 

Why?

 

lilys every easter. wonder how many people would agree with that?


incidently , easter lily looks nice on celtic jersey. :icon_mrgreen:

 

I was born in Scotland, lived there until I was 22 and then moved over to here, I have always been interested in Irish history, I know most of the Republican songs and often go to NGA fundraisers, I don't think there is anything wrong with the songs but Celtic Park is not the place for them imo.

 

No problem Colin mcRae. keep her country

 

I'm assuming that you're agreeing with my statement. If so, then you'll know that many Celtic fans are fine with the wearing of the poppy on the shirt. It's about remembering those who gave their lives for our freedom and remembering the civillians who were unfortunate enough to die through war. If you disagree with the minutes silence or the wearing of the poppy on the Celtic shirt, then wait until the silence is over before you go to the game or don't go at all. No-one is forcing you to wear a poppy and no-one is forcing you to go to a minutes silence.

 

The rebels being sung only give the club a bad reputation.
There are a select few I can think of that don't actually have lyrics of support for the IRA etc, so I think they fit through the loophole. But it's been said in the thread already, time and a place for them and Celtic Park is not that place.
As far as I'm concerned, if people do sing them at CP, they're not doing the club any favours whatsoever. The club don't want them sung, so they should be sung.
Sing em at the pub before hand/after if you must.

 

A full answer to this would take the thread way off topic, so i'll condense it into this. I beleive that in general there has been some politicising of the poppy appeal in an attempt to soften public opinion on current overseas conflicts, and for other reasons relating to nationalism. I don't necessarily feel that this is a direct introduction of politics into sport, but would be open to thoughs/discussion/opinion on the issue (in a more suitable thread/forum/platform than this). Personally, I don't have a problem with the rememberance day silence, though perhaps as a club open to all, a white poppy may have been more appropriate.

With the wider footballing community embracing the poppy and rememberance, I don't think it would have been sensible for our club to have abstained, even if there had been any will to do so.

 

That's actually a very sensible view as well as a very good condensing of the question.

 

Very misleading. Davitt had remounced violence by then and actually was very anti violence and very against the IRA campaigns. The whole point was he was a nationalist but had come to denounce violence. Otherwise there is no way a man of * like Bro Walfrid would have had anything to do with him.

 

sorry I posted the same thing before I saw you did.

 

I agree but there is no point in reasoning with people who cant see the difference between

1. The non-political remembering of the nations war VICTIMS as individuals (99.9% of who were non-professional conscripts and very young volunteers who died in the 2 world wars). Remembrance if for these people. Soldiers in modern nation states are not political, only paramilitaries area. The poppy money also goes to British people who suffered in the wars politicians started.

2. The politicians and dictators who start them and send the ordinary folk to die in them. We are not remembering them. That would be political.

We have been through all this and its on deaf ears. They simply do not want to accept this truth. They just wasnt to go on about imperial this and that and the army in northern Ireland.

 

Follow your own advice. If you disagree with rebel songs, don't sing them. No-one is forcing you either.

And you're wrong anyway. Putting a poppy on a football shirt is absolutely political. The Celtic board are hyprocrites. They say politics and sport shouldn't mix but they don't seem to pay any attention to that "rule" themselves. What they really mean is "politics we don't agree with".

 

RTFT (I've even underlined it to make it super easy)