Should rebel songs be sung at games?

True but you can have intense local rivallry between clubs without politics being part of it.

 

But you can have a better one when politics are added to it :icon_mrgreen: like Barca/Madrid, Boca/River Plate, Fenerbahce/Glatasaray, Feyenoord/Ajax all the other big ones have some sort of politics about it. It's what makes it better than the rest even though politic's don't even come into it to me, I dont care what politics the huns are voting for or what religion they are they're just the huns to me and I dont like them

 

Simple answer...NO!

 

Republican songs have no place at Celtic park , We are a Scottish team playing in the Scottish league with a proud Irish history , So I would suggest if all the republicans cant handle that they should stay away .

 

Would rather sing the holy ghoalie song for 90 mins than a rebel song :icon_mrgreen:

 

Did they get a cert or something.....????
Get * real.....they were are the same.....

 

Think the old vs new IRA thing is a bit of a false division and a lot of the hard line republicans agree with me. The distinction militarily is not all that huge either. Bombs and ambushes etc were common enough then and non-military people were victims. People also think sectarianism is a northern modern troubles thing but there is a lot of ugly and sectarian stuff in that period too that has been swept under the carpet mainly because it was the protestants in the south getting it in the neck rather than the better known other way round in the north. There is a wall of silence about that but their numbers halved in the first 50 years after the easter rising and I think now are only about third of what they once were 100 years back.

I think that distinction is on shaky ground and it is best avoided in the songs debate. The real arguement against them is that in a deeply divided society political songs inflame people and are close to incitement. To be honest I do not know why people have politics on their minds when watching a game of football.

 

I'm against the singing of republican songs at the football, I used that as a point to show that some of the arguments put forward for being able to sing them doesn't stand up.

The songs themselves aren't sectarian, but there's no place for them at Celtic Park as I said before, politics divide a group whereas sport should be used to unite.

 

I can see where this is all going to end up "Glasgow Celtic: Just a football club." nothing more

 

It's the social aspect of Celtic that makes it much more than just a football club.

The social foundations of the club are not the same as politics and while the social focus of the club should always remain there is no need for our club to be used as a political platform for groups to use as they see fit.

 

Excatly right we will just become like Arsenal go to the game eat a pie go and home

 

Making statements like that without responding any of the well made arguments posted here doesn't help your argument at all.

 

Speaking as someone who used to belt out rebel songs at games and still enjoys singing them - for me they are songs referring to 1916 - I agree with what you say here HS.

I wouldn't sing them at games now, even though I actually like playing them on the guitar etc.

 

If its going to bring the atmosphere back then YES

 

YES. of course.

 

haha. although ur a moderator on here - u really dont have a firm grasp on what u are talking about.

In 1892 Irish patriot MichaelDavitt (some uneducated or misguided people may class as terrorist) laid a piece of shamrock sprinkled turf in the centre spot of Celtic Park to mark the opening of the ground at its present site.

This was the club who decided this.

 

We will ' let the people sing' and there aint nothin u gonna do about it,.

 

2 points before I debate your post, cut out the text speech and there is no need for your cheek just because you don't agree with me.

Just because I don't believe the republican songs should be heard at Celtic Park, don't assume I know nothing about Irish Republicanism - Michael Davitt was indeed a prominment member of the IRB, the Fenians and ILL, however, after witnessing first hand the cruelty of violence while in prison he changed his way and instead by the time he laid that first sod of turf he was anti-violence. He was a great socialist, he backed the British Labour Party was interested in social justice for all.

Long before he laid that sod of turf he had already came to the conclusion that underground armies were self defeating and that non-violence was the way to go. Indeed his change of direction led to many republicans considering him a traitor to the cause for taking his seat in the British House of Commons.

You should read Leaves from a Prison Diary.

 

but the point u said was that groups keep politics away from celtic park - surely davitt wud not be welcomed by the likes of u.
u are contradicting yourself.again

 

Im the Same AO ,i loved belting them out at games in my youth and i still sing and listen to them quite a lot in the privacy of my own room ,times have change ,football has change ,time to move on.