SNP victory in Glasgow?

I have noticed that quite a few people have been expressing a support for the SNP.

I was wondering if anyone here is from Glasgow north-east which comprises Springburn, the auld Garngad, parts of Maryhill and even goes over to Huggie Loch.

The Orange Order have thrown their weight behind that stalwart of Unionism the labour party. And ably helped with that other organ of Unionism the Daily Ranger AKA the Daily Record. Will they manage to scare people into voting for labour as they always have done barring the 2007 elections and Glasgow East?

Are you going to vote? Will you vote for the SNP, and if not why not? Anyone else wantin to give their two bob's worth on how they wouild vote on Thursday if they lived in Glasgow North-East?

 

I though that some people were interested in speculating about a possible SNP win in two days time against the combined forces of hunnery who have used the fact that the SNP candidate Kerr is a Taig to smear him. yep the dirty tricks were out early!

* bless O'neill, someone cares avout our country ;¬)

 

Stubbsy

>>Bit of an exaggeration calling the labour party a "stalwart of Unionism"<<

Are you kiddin ma man? You listen to Uncle Tim Murphy, sure it ia all to save their careers and fat cat MP's perks this new found ultra Britishness. Isn't it sad that their jobs mean more to them than their country.

>>Labour granted the country devolution and a voting system which damaged its own changed within Scotland. Not a Labour fan at all but doesn't make much sense.<<

George Robertson famously said that devolution would "kill nationalism stone dead" Sure they only consented to allowing us our parliament to head off the SNP. Thank * they messed that up! It was the Lib-Dem's who done a deal with labour to change the voting system to the present fairer system of proportional representation. And to be fair it mainly works. Right now a minority SNP government are forced to do deals with minor parties to pass legislation. So in essence it is democracy in action with more of the peoples reps having an imput.

>>Fair play their against independance but the SNP are in favour of an independant Scotland still subservant to the queen. Sounds like hunnery to me?<<

We canny have oor cake and eat it right away can we? And I reckon that wee Alec doesn't want to scare the horses, as traditionaly people don't like change. Slowly, slowly catchee monkey I reckon.

 

Domo

>>I'd never vote SNP under normal circumstances...<<

I'd be interested to find out why? oh and spot on re your comprehension of me speaking about David Kerr. Troops, although Scotland is slowly emerging from a deeply ant-Catholic past. There are still some who just hate Catholics, just for being catholics, thus in a tight vote if they can get a few knuckledraggers out to vote against the 'Taig' then it might just be enough.

Celtic13

I am interested, why?

 

Domo

Thanks for gettin back to me.

>>Because independence would simply not be good for Scotland.
To make it clear, I am not a unionist, but we've been part of the union too long now.<<

Independence is actually the only way for Scotland to go. Witness how well the Scottish Parliament has worked with the limited powers she has. Especially since the SNP has come to power we have seen how good it can be actually having guys stand up for us and not whatever suits the London labour party, who in reality have a bigger gallery in England to play to. We have been part of the Union for 302 years now, that means nothing in the grand scheme though.

>>Yes, independence would be nice, but it simply wouldn't work, mainly due to the fact that we need England's money...<<

Actually Scotland is in budget surplus, we put more money into the UK treasury than we get back, even then we are classed as beggars for it. The usual trick is to mention the unfairness of the Barnett formula which gives us in Scotland more per head of population for public services than England. Unfair? Perhaps, though when you configure that we have large less populated areas that costs a fortune to provision with public services. It costs far more to say provision Caithness per head of population than one of the English home counties.

The way these things are counted are badly skewed also. London and the south-east gets far more per head of population than Scotland, of course this area like Scotland are far and away the biggest net contributors to the treasury. The south-east statistics to the treasury include many company/business head offices, say they have ten thousand workers across the UK, then all the income is classed as coming from london due to figures submitted from HQ's books in london. Added to this nearly all government departments(notable exclusions of the DVLA Swansea and social in Newcastle) are in London. Which provides the area with tens of thousands of jobs and the wages for all who work in those departments throughout the UK counted in London statistics.

Added to this, they have had multi-million capital projects like the dome, the eye, wembley and now the Olympics all coming out of public funds. It is costing us all approaching £3,000 each for every man, wummin and child in the UK to host this event, they are also diverting lotto money from elswhere to help out. Will we see any benefit from this up here? our Commonwealth games is being funded by the Scottish government and Glasgow City council in the main.

This is the killer though, Norway who have not much more oil than us in Scotland, apart from being the richest country in Europe partly due to her oil money has put aside an oil fund these past 30 years. That money alone is worth more than the whole UK deficeit, yet a big mighty country like the UK is expected to be paying off this deficeit for generations. There is at least as much oil there as has been taken out, and new fields discovered off the coast of Shetland recently. Not heard of it? Surprise surprise, an anti-NP media are determined to treat Scots like mushrooms.

>>A lot of the people who earn high incomes move into other countries because the Scottish positions don't pay as well too.<<

A symptom of being run by another country though isn't it.

Regarding your further well made points about poverty and health. You have made a better argument than me that it is time we dealt with it, all the answers won't neccersarily flow from independence, but I doubt our people will remain so neglected with Scots actually governing for Scotland.

 

Domo, check out these links;

http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf

It is a lot to wade through, in essence a British government report was 'planked' for want of a better word so the Scottish people would not realise to what extent the gold mine we were/are sitting on. A notable part mentions that far from being fanciful nationalist claims that we would be as rich as gulf rich oil countries is if anything understated. The report came to light only after the statutory 30 years rule ended. Telling stuff?

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A report from the horses mouth regarding the new fields.

I should mention, the fact that an independant Scotland would be wealthy not solely due to oil. Whisky revenues are I believe in the top 3 treasury incomes, plus we have something like 30% of all European wave energy, the next big green initiative. Take our abundance of water that could be piped to our thirsty neighbours for a cost. Most important of all though are our people, with power in our own hands, our best and brightest needn't leave(something you touched on) as we will have plenty for them to do here.