With which political ideology do you most identify?

Why do children learn to walk? They can get anywhere they want very quickly by crawling but they're compelled to stand on two feet and stumble and fall on their faces and move very short distances. Walking is a terribly inefficient way for a child to get around at that stage but they persevere. It's just human nature to want to advance.

It's wage slavery that drives people to work hard in this system. You have to rent yourself - your labour - in order to subsist. In an anarchist society, people are driven to produce and create by human impulses. Work for work's sake isn't neccessary.

 

Old age has made you cynical, Dáibhí. :smiley-laughing002:

 

Sorry Vert but that answer just hasn't convinced me at all. Children walk because they are programmed to. The ones that didn't died off millions of years ago because evolution is a thing.

We are not programmed to work exceptionally hard to the point it may make us ill for no reward. You'll find some talented individuals who can do that, I've no doubt, but I think many will not.

 

Anarchism wouldn't work. I once had a conversation about it in the pub with my brother who has no idea about anything like that, his answer was he'd make sure he was the * holding the biggest steak at the end of the day.

Think a * of a lot of people would think like that.

 

Not at all. With old age comes a sense of realism unfortunately.

 

Evolution for the children.

You are right with the human nature advancement, that is what drives people to accumulate wealth/stuff, so that they/their families are comfortable.

 

Could argue if you see someone in pain or trouble even if you don't know them your gut instinct is to help them probably why I think socialism is the politics closest to humanity




Someone post the charlie Chapman speech :smiley-laughing002:

 

So you agree with me?

 

Socialism

 

We also have an innate desire to produce, create and advance, even when it may seem inefficient or difficult. That was exactly my point.

Why would you do that?

No one's going to produce less than they need to live comfortably, are they? That in itself is enough to keep things in motion but, as I said before, people have an innate desire to produce, create and advance, so science and technology keep progressing. People would have more free time because consumerism would be eradicated.

 

Does anyone believe in a political ideology that is actually based in realism? Something that either presently exists or has a realistic chance of existing in the near future?

 

No one would have that mindset because there would be no shortage of food. If you have a steak and you have to have one more than everyone else or a bigger one than everyone else, you're broken. Consumerism is a capitalist disease.

Such societies would quickly ostracise anyone who, despite living comfortably, took more than they need to the detriment of others.

 

This is from the guy who said Dundee United fans shouldn't get the same number of tickets as us for the cup final...sit down your argument is invalid.

 

So a 6ft6 man gets the same size of steak as a toddler??

 

What???? Have you ever met a child?

As for the anarchist society bit....is there no crime in your Utopian society?? because that's a human impulse.

 

What?

I'm saying (most) folk would not knock their pan in and work very difficult jobs if there is no extra reward like the current system offers, so you're saying an innate desire to produce, create and advance means that doesn't matter?

When I said '..make us ill' I was referring again to my doctor example. Studying to be and actually being a doctor is stressful and stress leads to illness. I am pretty certain one of the main factors that drives people to do that job, and many other difficult jobs, is the reward they get for that.

If you're saying there's no reward for being a doctor other than harder work, I'm saying to you you won't have enough doctors.

 

If you're genuinely interested, you can read this:

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/libr...re-collective-the-anarchist-response-to-crime

 

If you think walking is a 'terribly inefficient way' for a child to move around then you are daft.

As for your wee link.

"An Anarchist society has no victimless crime because all vices are legal and enjoyed only by those who chose to participate. "

Just moronic.

 

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

I think you're thinking in very individualistic terms. People would study to become doctors because society would have a need for doctors. Without a proper healthcare system, life quality and expectancy would drop, disease would be more common, etc.

There would have to be a shift in consciousness as much as anything and anarchist societies on such a scale are a long way off.

I don't have all the answers but much more intelligent people have addressed these concerns in their writing. If you're interested in it, the Anarchist Library has a lot of essays online that are free to read.

This isn't aimed at you, James...

Why are some people getting irate about this and resorting to petty personal attacks? :smiley-laughing002: