TC American Presidential Election Thread

I am a McCain man unfortunately i won't be voting.

I think Obama should not be elected for these reasons:

1. His Economic Plan. He intends to tax any household earning more than $200,000 a year, that accounts for 5% of america, this 5% either own companies or own major shares in companies more than likely, now do you think these people are going to take money out of their profits every year and do you think they're going to start firing workers, think of this on a country scale, it looks to be disastrous. He also intends for american companies overseas to bring profits home which doesn't look good for the infrastructure of other societies.

2. His Iraq plan, with what he has planned he will leave Iraq at a turbulent time, while i never agreed with the war, some sort of democratic government needs to set in place and made sure it works before pulling out

3. He simply is politically inexperienced

Reasons why unfortunatelly Obama will win by landslide:

1. He's young, energetic and a good speaker, makes many compare him to JFK or robert kennedy but both had more experience

2. He's black, stats show 98% of african americans support on Obama, a vote shuldn't be based on his colour of skin

3. People resemble John McCain to George Bush, They're both republican and supported the war on Iraq. That's aboutas far as the similarities go. McCain's energy policy shows him to be one of the most democratic republican to run for presidency.

4. Republicanism is seen by society to be full of rednecks and not with the times

5. Obama gives speeches to show himself to be some sort of political messiah (He even gets people to faint at his shows ), He infact has alot of empty promises and uses words like hope and change and so on. He also uses to celebrities to endorse his campaign, if you look on his website designers and celebrities have designed his merchandise, also he has spent more in one month of his campaign than any whole presidential campaign and this guy is meant to be leading america out of economic crisis? His celebrity status also has lead to him being a cult figure among stupid americans.

6. Obama has probably came off looking better in debate. My opinion on the matter is because McCain showed his age, didn't publically speak as well and didn't call Obama on alot of things i hoped he would.

Please give your opinions on wo you think is/isn't right for the job

 

Mon the obama.

 

I'm going up with a few friends at my university that I went to high school with to vote in our home district on Tuesday... should be good fun. In all honesty, the President is the least of my worries since they are both horrifically unsuited for the job at hand and they are essentially the same for me. Where I can really make a difference is in voting for my local politics and the various Propositions on the California ballot.

But because this is the Presidential Election thread I will digress from my digression.

McCain, for me, is an enigma. He was very liberal in his immigration policy, but is now in favor of building the border fence. He is vehemently opposed to taxes, but has said he will do "anything in order to secure Social Security" which may mean rising taxes. It's interesting to note that Obama has said he won't do this. His entire platform pre-Palin was that he was a maverick, someone who went against the status quo as a Republican. This is backed up by the fact that he was a regular participant in talks in Europe 2000 and after, and developed a reputation as someone who wasn't afraid to go at the Republican institution, and this endeared him to the more liberal Europeans. However, he appears to have sold all this in order to be President, which is a very alarming action.

Palin sold the deal for me as far as deciding that voting McCain was an absolute impossibility. She represents everything that Neo-Cons stand for, and it is hard to understand what she stands for because of the constant sheltering the McCain people have given her. The only time she was allowed to speak was the Couric interview and we all know how that turned out. Her debate with Biden was hard to watch, as she consistently side stepped the answers, occasionally disregarding the original question in it's entirety, staring at the camera giving some off-base answer that was clearly pandering to the far-right. The fact that McCain jumped into this decision and was essentially attempting to "buy" the vote of the people he claimed to disagree with (ie former Bush supporters... nobody really supports him anymore) has made everything he did null and void in my opinion. There's also the not-so-insignificant fact that he very well may die during his presidency, and it would be nothing short of catastrophic if Palin was President.

I'll write an Obama piece in a bit.

 

Think I'd vote Obama but I couldn't care less to be honest.

 

Anyone notice Mccain is a MAVERICK Palin just couldn't say it enough.

 

Ditto x2.

I hate why we, in the UK and probably Ireland too, are getting so much coverage of an American election, which none of us can vote in.

Why? What is the reason for our Medias obsession with America? We dont get the same coverage of Australian, French, German or Spanish elections, etc. So why so much coverage to do with the American one, when its just as relevant as the before mentioned countries?

 

McCain is a Maverick, Obama is a Socialist, yet when she was asked to label herself she said, and I'm not even kidding, "I'm not sure that Americans are interested in labeling, I'm just not going to do that." There are so many more ways that she could have slithered her way out of that question without looking like a complete * idiot.

 

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg[/YOUTUBE]

brilliant video but it's pretty scary that these people will vote.

Andy this election will have baring on everyone in the world, basically just because of the power the US have

 

We dragged you into a war which got your state (London and Glasgow, although the Glasgow one was kind of by the "Al-Qaeda reserve team" if you will) attacked and our lack of government action saw your banking system fail after ours. I'd say we are slightly more relevant to your well-being than the Aussies, French, German, or Spanish. I'm not saying this with a big ego thinking it's awesome, I actually feel sorry for you and everyone else that is invested into the American World "system."

 

PalinAsPresident.com

Click lots of stuff.

 

All fair points


Your probably right about an American election have more importance to use than the other countries I mentioned.

But how much more important? The amount of news coverage the US elections are getting here in the UK is just un-real. Its constant, no matter what news program or news channel you put on, it’s always about the US elections, we even had TV adverts, advertising news programs about the US elections.

It might be slightly relevant to us here in the UK, but does it really warrant the amount of coverage its getting?

 

This I agree with, even in the US. 24-hour News Channels are the bane of television. It has devolved into entertainment and the media will lie, spin, or do any other sorts of shenanigans to get high ratings. I feel that this has happened to McCain, as Obama is the media's sweet heart, but part of me thinks it's karma because of how McCain sold his soul, and so then I can't really feel too sorry for him.

 

Is the election now Obama's to lose? It would appear that way to external observers, such as myself. I only fear that people won't bother voting for him because they think it's a dead-cert and they won't need to bother.

Discuss.

 

Yes, although his electoral college win will be much larger than his popular vote win because of the winner-take-all situation.

Ah, this is another thing I think this thread could be useful for... if anybody wants me to explain what the * the Electoral College exactly is, and how Bush was able to legitimately (yes, legitimately) win in 2000 despite recieving less votes then I will explain.

 

Joe 6pack
Joe Curtain
Joe the Chair
Joe the little man on a horse

 

Please explain.

 

click on the 6 pack she says joe 6pack, click on the curtain she says joe curtain, click on the little man on the horse she says joe the little man on a horse

 

I know, i'm the one who gave you the site, i was asking diegan to explain.

 

It's essentially a relic of the past, one of the only relics of the anti-masses, anti-federalism Jefferson-American types. Unfortunately, since our society is not anti-masses, anti federalism Jeffersonian-America it kind of has no place in our system.

Basically, the American Election is 50 different Presidential elections, not one. The States each have a portion of votes that equals the amount of Representatives they have added to the amount of Senators they have. The smallest are states that are so sparsely populated (Wyoming, Alaska) that they only have 1 Representative district + their 2 Senators, making 3 votes. California, the largest and most lucrative state, has 53 representatives, plus 2 Senators, making their vote 55. Combined, all the states make 538 votes in total, meaning a tie is tehcnically possible but it's not happened, I don't believe.

All but two states (Nebraska and another one) are winner-take all systems, meaning that in California if Obama gets 15 million votes and McCain gets 14 million votes, Obama gets all 55 votes from California and McCain gets zero. This means that despite the EC vote being 55-0, the popular vote is 15 mil-14 mil. You can see how, added up, this can cause an imbalance in close elections such as 2000.

In 2000, Bush won a lot of close states, while Kerry absolutely destroyed Bush in a few states with large populations such as California and New York. Because Bush won these "Swing States" like Florida and Ohio with relatively few votes, he got 47 votes from these states despite winning by only a few hundred to a few thousand in both... while Kerry won California at 55 votes by a huge amount.

Basically, pay no attention to the polls that say 'Obama is up by x%', pay attention to what is going on in battleground states like Ohio, Nevada, and Florida. This is because large states like California (Democrat), Texas (Republican), and New York (Democrat) can misrepresent what is going to happen with the electoral college.

Saying all that, Obama has a healthy lead in battleground states so you, if you support Obama, can sit happily.