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[Pre-Season] Queens Park V Celtic Wednesday July 10Th Kick off 7:45 PM Celtic TV

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Notorious, May 31, 2024.

Discuss Queens Park V Celtic Wednesday July 10Th Kick off 7:45 PM Celtic TV in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Notorious Gold Member Gold Member

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    Another game announced


     
  2. Notorious Gold Member Gold Member

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    Not long until the first Glasgow derby of the season

    3-1 for the Bhoys
     
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  3. Taz Blind Justice Gold Member News Writer

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    What could've been....

    Celtic v Queen's Park


    Back in the early days of the club, THIS was the rivalry that mattered more than any other.

    Imagine a reality in which we as Celtic fans eagerly anticipated this fixture more than any other, and that the eyes of the footballing world were drawn to Glasgow for. Yes, R****** existed already, but they had done for nearly 20 years with very little to show for it, and it is possible that this could've continued.

    As it happens, it very nearly could've been this way, and it is not hard at all to imagine that this could've come to pass, but for one fateful decision - the very definition of a sliding doors moment.

    There were numerous points of contention between the clubs, QP essentially were the avatar of the Scottish establishment, including the insistence of players being drawn from 'the same social status' - and held a LOT of sway and influence at the SFA - against the upstart Irish, Celtic.

    There were many sources and causes of frustration and friction between these clubs, but perhaps the most long lasting and impactful, and ultimately the reason why it changed is based a lot on QP's strict insistence on amatuer status within the game and their steadfast opposition to development of a football league and the professionalism that it brought, while Celtic were keen to embrace both.

    These two sides went head to head in both the 1892 and 1893 Scottish Cup Finals, both of which required replays after Celtic had won both of the first game, meaning that it gave QP a second chance both times.

    While it hadn't eventually impacted the final result the previous season in 1892, when Celtic's 1-0 win in the first game was declared void 'for crowd encroachment', before the Bhoys went on to win 5-1 in the replay. However, the following season in 1893, Celtic's initial 1-0 win was again declared void, for the reason given as a 'frozen pitch'... but this was only announced AFTER the game, when another replay was once again ordered by the SFA.

    Things came to a head in the 1893 Scottish Cup Final replay, which finished with QP 2-1 victors... However, QP's winning goal was allowed to stand in controversial circumstances. Despite the fact that the ball did not enter the goal but had skimmed behind the post, the goal was awarded to QP. Celtic both immediately protested but the referee stood firm. The club then officially appealed to the SFA, who refused to order another replay and declared the result valid and final.

    There is an important footnote to all this. While goal nets existed before this (first 'invented/introduced' in 1891) there was no regulation requiring it as standard, so the decision to use them was entirely at the discretion of the hosting team. Because of this 1893 Scottish Cup Final incident meant that the addition of nets to the goal mouth would be required in the future and become mandatory, and this was later adopted elsewhere across the world.

    So, you're welcome, world football.

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    The new 1892/93 pitch to incorporate the introduction of 'penalties'

    While these events on the park was undoubtedly a cause of acrimony between the two clubs and the governing body, there were no shortage of these off of it also. But it was ultimately QP's insistence on amatuer status and refusal to be part of the formative development of the league or then to relent and join, despite the popularity and it's increasing influence, that swiftly saw them being overtaken, and with it the primary rivalry shifted, from Hampden to Ipox.

    Had QP relented and agreed to embrace the league and the professionalism in those formative years, who knows where we would be now. But as the changing nature of football as the 1890's progressed back then, along with it's infuence at the SFA, then it is not difficult to imagine this could well have remained THE Glasgow derby.

    But as the gap widened as more clubs engaged in 'shamatuerism' until 1897 and the popularity of regular league football, and essentially to compete with Celtic's continued progress and success, R****** gradually displaced QP and became the avatar of the establishment in this new professional age.

    Eventually, QP relented and joined the football league in 1900, but by that time they had well and truly been superceded in terms of both importance and influence to the Scottish game as a whole, not to mention competitively on the pitch.

    Anyhow, history lesson over.

    Fast forward to 2024...
     
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    Pair of arses in goal that looks like.
     
  5. honda Gold Member Gold Member

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    Yes!! Another game to get an idea of how the new keeper.... tea lady performs.
     
  6. MacEwan Himmy Butler Gold Member

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    Any idea how to get a hold of a ticket? It’s literally down the road from me so wouldn’t mind popping over under cover :fear:
     
  7. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    I think the club said theres only a capacity for like 900 or something like that so no tickets to away support. Could’ve sworn I seen that somewhere
     
  8. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Literally at the top of the page...
     
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  9. MacEwan Himmy Butler Gold Member

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    Aye its only their members and ST renewals getting tickets.

    I’d doubt they get 900 but a lot of them will have mates and family members who will be Celtic fans.
     
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  10. Crilly Hakuhna matata

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    Sorry sergeant slippyfisy I didn’t re-read the page just previous comments. Thanks for the confirmation :BR1:
     
  11. Notorious Gold Member Gold Member

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    Go down the lane beside the church on Cathcart Road and climb over the fence, worked for us 50 odd years ago
     
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    :62::57: - I vote this the best advice on this forum ever - enjoy @MacEwan
     
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    Will update yous. Maybe from the cells.

    There’s also the high rises next to me that overlook the area. Dig out the binoculars.
     
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    They don't look into the ground, best befriending someone who stays in Somerville drive
     
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    Watch this fae the hospital the night while she's pushing a wean out :BR1:
     
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    Good man, get yer priorities right
     
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    She'll be sound mate it's all good lol
     
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    Fingers crossed it doesn't go to extra time. Take it the wean will be named after the first scorer?

    Daizen Dutch has a ring to it :50:
     
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