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Messi

Discussion in 'World Football' started by Lilac Wine, Aug 6, 2020.

Discuss Messi in the World Football area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    Mind people used to say he couldn't do it for Argentina cause he didn't have Xavi etc.
     
  2. The Phoenix Black Lives Matter

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    I'm a grown man who shouldn't really be bothered about the whole Messi v Ronaldo thing but the reality is, there has never been a credible case for Ronaldo being better than Messi never mind the GOAT. Ronaldo isn't even as gifted as the other Ronaldo and he's certainly nowhere near Maradona. Ridiculous that he's even put in their category at all.

    Messi is just a joy to watch on so many levels. It's not just the goals, it's the playmaking, the dribbling, the spatial awareness, the passing, the assists, the movement. He's several levels above. He would have been the GOAT along with Maradona even if he hadn't won today but delighted that today's win nonetheless cements it. A victory for football.
     
  3. G40B

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    There’s never been a credible case?

    What, apart from their near identical scoring record and ding-dong battles whilst playing in La Liga?

    Messi edges it, but the downplaying of Ronaldo’s ability is laughable.
     
  4. Officer Doofy Come to me, human man Gold Member

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    No debate to be had - even prior to him winning the world cup.

    Ronaldo is an absolute machine of a goalscorer but Messi - for the past 15 years - has been the best dribbler, best passer, the best or second best goalscorer, incredible free kick taker etc.

    He doesn’t just edge it over Ronaldo. It’s clear as day he’s the better player and always has been.
     
  5. James Gold Member Gold Member

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  6. The Phoenix Black Lives Matter

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    Messi doesn't edge it. He blows Ronaldo out the water because as noted above it's not just goalscoring it's everything else.

    Ronaldo doesn't have those abilities. That's just a fact.
     
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    As football players it's never been close though, a lot of worse players have scored the same as better players.

    Comparing Ronaldo to Messi is like comparing Edouard to Larsson, it's always been obvious who was the much better player.
     
  8. G40B

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    No it hasn’t, hence why there’s always been such a fierce debate.
     
  9. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Theres not really been though, Ronaldo has "fans" but I don't think even they really consider him near Messi they just like him.
     
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  10. G40B

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    This is laughable.

    Ronaldo has five (5) Ballon d’Ors. The idea that he was never anywhere close to Messi is ludicrous.

    The rewriting of history surrounding Messi and Ronaldo is staggering.
     
  11. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Messi has 7 and is now favourite for 8. Just another singular metric of the hundreds that Messi is better.
     
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  12. G40B

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    I agree, Messi is better. What I’m disagreeing with is the notion that Ronaldo has never been close to Messi.
     
  13. Slaw

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    It’s done lads. The idiots can finally shut up.
     
  14. Zander Gold Member Gold Member

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    They aren't though
     
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  15. ILoveTheCeltic

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    For me it's just never even been questionable.

    I would tolerate people arguing about Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo, Zidane, Modric whos the best or Henry, Ronaldo, Shevchenko and whoever or Gerrard/Scholes/Lampard. It's all debatable even Makelele, Busquets, Kante, Keane and whoever.

    But comparing Cristiano Ronaldo to Messi has never been a thing to me, one is a great goalscorer and one is the most skilled player ever who is an ever better goalscorer.
     
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    You watch his Doc and see him as a young boy gliding past 3 or 4 players and scoring, he's done that for the last 15 years plus, at the highest level, it's not just all about numbers, as impressive as his stats are, it's about what he can do with the ball, that sets him apart.

    Loved Ray Hudson's commentary,

     
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    Pretty much how I see it.

    Ronaldo is fantastic, but the comparison with Messi honestly flatters him, simply because Messi is so obscenely good.

    There’s also a good case for teams that Ronaldo has been part of being less effective with him being part of it. No side in Messi’s career could say the same thing. He makes everyone around him much better.
     
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    Argentina have a good team but take Messi out and replace him with any other player in the world and they don’t win that World Cup, literally everything they do goes through him and as has been said previously whilst Ronaldo is quite obviously detrimental to his teammates, Messi drags his to a level they couldn’t ordinarily reach.
     
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    Well, by that logic Ronaldo is the better player, then.

    As he’s won everything - bar a World Cup - solely by himself, rather than with the help of his teammates.

    Why can’t people just say Messi is better than Ronaldo without the illogical belittling of Ronaldo?