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  1. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    Rodgers wanted him and wasn't backed in getting him, it was a poorly handled fiasco and as we were talking about backing, it's entirely relevant.
     
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  2. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    I'm not saying that we should have went straight in with a £2.7 million bid but effectively ending negotiations at £1.75 million when we had over £30 million in the bank and had just banked £7 million for an inferior player in Armstrong was ridiculous.

    Before negotiations are entered we must go in with an upper limit of what we're prepared to offer. There's nothing wrong with trying to get the target for less than that if possible but if the selling club aren't budging (and why should they when we hold out for top dollar for our players?) then we should at least look to get nearer to our upper limit.

    Given we bid £2.7 million just as he was about to sign for Villa shows that we were prepared to pay it but it smacks of desperation that we threw it in 2 weeks (7th August) after our 3rd bid (23rd July).
     
  3. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    This, while the leak is embarrassing the overreaction in general is embarrassing also.

    If I didn't know any better I might almost believe that the only good news just now is we seem to have a good few potential CEO's, who will offer to do the job for a poxy £50k a year or something.
     
  4. horseshoe

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    Players and their selling clubs don't have any say in where they go, if we don't get them it's all Lawell's fault without exception, even players we've only been linked with in tabloids and no official word from either club, we'd have signed them all if it wasn't for him, just accept that he's a bad bad man and you'll be much happier here. :fear:
     
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  5. King of Kings

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    It would never have been a case of offering £2.7m immediately, but once their negotiating position was revealed we shouldn’t acted in a more decisive manner. We were able to meet Hibs valuation with a price we deemed acceptable, we just did it a number of weeks too late.

    I actually think Lawwell would be the first to raise his hands and admit he * up on this one. He’s obviously an intelligent guy and it’s difficult to come to any other conclusion. We handled it very badly.
     
  6. Tomas

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    John Mcginn's career will no doubt be successful , he will however, always wonder "what if"
     
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    That’s just bullshit though, isn’t it?

    It’s possible to give a balanced assessment of PL’s work here that includes acknowledging that when it came to the McGinn transfer he dropped the ball.
     
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    So will we.
     
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  9. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    No need for the condescension Tim.

    It's a football forum that we're here to give our opinions on. Surely it'd be better to argue the post and not the poster?

    Others could make snide comments on political threads that you comment on saying that we seem to have a good potential MP or Prime Minister but it adds zero to the debate and is pretty pointless.
     
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    I do actually agree we could have acted faster in the mcginn transfer specifically, but that is how some people talk on here, every player we are linked with and don't get, every failing at the club is down to Lawwell and him alone he needs to be chased out the club or we're doomed, and give no credit for any of our success, or even suggest it's in spite of him, it's just baffling sometimes.
     
  11. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    Your inability to respond constructively when posters criticise PL or the board is the only thing that's embarrassing.
     
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    Lennon quoted in daily 'rangers' record as saying he wants a certain type of quality to get people off their seats cause that's what the people demand. That document better be in the bin then and back to the drawing board for the recruitment cause that was anything but exciting. They also better get there finger out. Champions league money this year is a must
     
  13. bhoy81

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    Aye a well oiled machine!!!!!! Ma *
     
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  14. bhoy81

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    That probably means we won’t be buying anyone now.
     
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    Why not? Villa offered what Hibs wanted and signed him.

    It’s not naive it’s a fact.

    We * Hibs about with silly offers another fact.

    We only matched their bid when he was down their medical passed and the deal was done.

    * shambles yet again, it’s happened loads before, not a one off.
     
  16. Peej Gold Member Gold Member

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    But villa didn't offer what Hibs told us they wanted.


    We went in with what, 1.5? Which everyone can admit was low knowing the value of the lad. We then went up little by little, I think 2.2 was the last bid we had made before villa came in?

    All the while, every bid we made Hibs demanded 4million. Not once did they negotiate down, not once did they indicate a chance of a smaller bid.
    Every time, Hibs wanted 4million.

    Villa comes in with 2.7million and they accept it straight away.

    2.7million is not what Hibs wanted. Not according to what they told us.

    They simply did not want to sell to us, which is fine. But let's not pretend that even if we came in at 2.7million without villa on the scene, that Hibs would have accepted that from us.

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    We initially according to reports offered 1.5 million and then upped it 50k at a time and then stopped at 2 million.

    So if Hibs didn’t want 2.7 million then why did they accept?

    It was reported that they wanted 4 million after we * them about, can you blame them?

    Let’s not pretend we didn’t * them about and if we offered them from the get go 2.7 million we would have got him.

    We * it stop making excuses. Why did the club then go on and make the same 2.7 million bid when the deal was done? To save face or try to.

    Take your head out of the * sand.
     
  18. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Condescending ? That's your worry, when others are flinging phrases like delusional about, aye my bad.

    If they wish to do that they should fill their boots. Although, as I certainly haven't tried to oversimplify how complex the job is they have to do nor have I oversimplified how complicated running a country is, they wouldn't have much of a point at all.
     
  19. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Is it, I would say your stock response of "fan involvement/ownership" as being the cure to everything, is more embarrassing tbh. As is the continued use of the Mcginn stick, which is a non story, as in the end he choose to not come here but heyho.

    Anyway you carry on with the 'delusional' patter as that is highly constructive lol.
     
  20. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    I don't doubt that Hibs would have preferred McGinn to go to Aston Villa rather than us but they weren't even at the negotiating table when we expressed our interest.

    We requested to be notified of any bids Hibs received for McGinn in mid-June.

    Timeline:

    1st June 2018: Aston Villa miss £4 million payment to HMRC

    6th June 2018: AV come to agreement with HMRC over repayment of outstanding amount, owner Dr Xia warns of financial issues. States administration not an immediate concern but funding required to stave off the threat going forward, reportedly running at a loss of £5 million per month

    7th June 2018: Villa source emergency loan of £6 million

    2nd July 2018: Celtic opening bid of £1.25 million for McGinn, rejected.

    11th July 2018: Celtic make 2nd bid of £1.5 million for McGinn, rejected

    20th July 2018: Billionaires Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens buy majority stake in Aston Villa

    23rd July 2018: Celtic make 3rd bid of 'around £2 million', rejected (At this point no other clubs have made a formal bid according to Lennon)

    6th August 2018: Aston Villa bid £2.75 million for McGinn, accepted

    7th August 2018: Travels down to Aston Villa to negotiate terms of £23k per week

    8th August 2018: Celtic match Villa's bid of £2.75 million as McGinn is scheduled to complete a medical, bid accepted by Hibs. McGinn opts for Villa

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    A 5 week transfer saga that culminated in us bidding £2.75 million for the player but losing out. My belief is we gambled that no other bids would come in, McGinn would want to come to us as he was a Celtic fan and Hibs would be desperate to get some sort of fee before we could sign him on a pre-contract.

    How anyone can think that the above is a prudent way to do transfer business is incredible. If Hibs valuation was too high then we should've been moving on to our 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. choice targets, not wasting 5 weeks of the summer on acquiring McGinn while we toiled and tumbled out of Champions League qualifiers.