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La Liga 2019-20

Discussion in 'World Football' started by StPauli1916, Jul 1, 2019.

Discuss La Liga 2019-20 in the World Football area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Notorious Gold Member Gold Member

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  2. Jeremie Frimpong

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    Is Setién good on the PlayStation?
     
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  3. FCBarca

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    I am thrilled. I have wanted him since seeing him at Las Palmas in 2015. A true Cruyff disciple

    Only guarantee is that we will see a return to the playing style cules covet, we'll see how that translates to wins/titles

    Soooo happy Valverde is out, icing on the cake is Setien and that the board has been massively embarrassed with their poor sporting strategy
     
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  4. PaulM1888 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Valverde had to go but you must have at least some concerns that your manager is in his 60’s and has literally won nothing.

    Folk are holding up a victory at the Camp Nou as his crowning glory, which is embarrassing.
     
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    I have no idea why age would enter into it and certainly not someone who is 61 - his football is youthful just as Bielsa is and Menotti was. It is an irrelevant consideration IMHO

    That might be your criteria but I think outplaying RM & Barcelona in their own stadiums in addition to beating them with far inferior resources is the best evidence of what he brings. Quique is courageous and his teams play that way, I am thrilled to see what he can do with far greater resources never available to him. As I tell others, Pep's experience when he took over for Rijkaard was coaching a 4th division B team

    Embarrassing is having let Valverde continue for as long as he has after the Roma debacle
     
  6. Clint Eastwood The Good Bad and Ugly of TC

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    To be fair you could point to someone like Sarri who's 60 only now and only in the past 5 years has come into prominence with his remarkable work at Napoli pushing Juve all the way. Getting Chelsea back into the top 4 and winning the Europa League and now in charge of Juventus.

    Setien's principles in regard to football are more aligned to what Barcelona are suited to. To what their players are suited to. I don't think it'll require an absolute genius of a manager to get the best out of them. Just one who'll encourage and facilitate the players in playing a game which suite their strengths. Setien's, Juego de posicion (positional play) is similar to that of Guardiola, his brand of football will suite players like Dembele, De Jong, etc far more than Valverde's overly pragmatic approach.

    For me it's the best fit if you assume guys like Guardiola, Tuchel, etc are unavailable.
     
  7. FCBarca

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    In his own words:

    "I felt that football could be played better, but I didn't see it until Johan Cruyff showed it to us. It was clear to me when Cruyff's Barcelona appeared that you have to throw yourself behind the ball and spend 80 minutes running. You want to press but you never get the ball, I told myself that this is what football is like. I started watching football in a different way and I understood the essence of the game.

    What you have to do is play with your head, not with your feet or your heart, I immediately think of Sergio Busquets. He's an incredibly intelligent footballer and is constantly reading the game.

    Everything I do is a clear reflection of the game I have seen Barça do for many years.

    When a player like Xavi retires, it's as if a kidney is removed. And the day that Messi retires, I will cry forever"
     
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  8. PaulM1888 Gold Member Gold Member

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    You have no idea why age would enter into it? He’s been a Manager for 20 years and has won nothing, zero, zilch.

    It’s a punt when there was no real need for one.
     
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    I'd say your understanding of Barcelona then is about zero, zilch, nothing. Two treble winning coaches in Lucho & Pep had zero titles when they took over. Rijkaard had won nothing, his only prior coaching experience saw the club relegated. Even Valverde had only won meaningless titles before getting the Barca job.

    Coaches at Barcelona are not considered for their titles but a whole other set of criteria - Setien ticks most of them, even at 61. Guarantee you of one thing, this version of Barca & their play will not reflect anything but a youthful side rather than someone 61
     
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  10. Clint Eastwood The Good Bad and Ugly of TC

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    Of course it's a punt, most other managers who play the style of football Barca want their team to play, especially the supporters (who were critical of Valverde even when they were winning) are simply unavailable at this stage.
     
  11. The Prof Administrator Administrator

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    @FCBarca What yer thoughts on the signing of Griezmann, has he been a success so far ?


    Must be honest any time i've watched him in a Barca jersey, the balance of the team just dosen't look right.
     
  12. M.E.T.H.O.D MAN Straight from the slums of Shaolin

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    Don’t know anything about the manager but seeing Paul getting schooled is always nice.
     
  13. PaulM1888 Gold Member Gold Member

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    My knowledge of Barcelona is immaterial to the facts you’re brushing over

    You’ve never signed a manager with a 20 year career under his belt who’s won nothing and attempting to link him to Pep is laughable. His career highlight is beating Barcelona away from home once, that’s all you’re reading about.

    Barcelona are not alien, they’re a football club. Yes they have a specific set of values but since Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Messi have been on the seen that is wholly underpinned by trophies.

    Of which, the new Manager has won zero, zilch, nothing.
     
  14. M.E.T.H.O.D MAN Straight from the slums of Shaolin

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    :56::56:

    Barcelona supporter telling you that the signing makes sense and you still can’t accept you may be wrong about something.
     
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  15. PaulM1888 Gold Member Gold Member

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    You’re on a Celtic Forum of thousands of people that can’t agree about anything and you’re trying to tell me a random Barca fan is the Barca oracle :56::56::56:
     
  16. M.E.T.H.O.D MAN Straight from the slums of Shaolin

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    No I’m telling you that you’re embarrassing, decided to take a look at this manager.

    You do realise you’re repeating the same line about how a manager hasn’t won anything in his 20 year manager career when he was managing in the second and third division for about 15 of those years.

    I also wasn’t aware there were different opinions on this forum, thought it was only yours. Weird.
     
  17. PaulM1888 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Good lad, took you long enough for the penny to drop.
     
  18. M.E.T.H.O.D MAN Straight from the slums of Shaolin

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    :38: Used to get much more out of you than this Paul, maybe I’ve finally gotten through to you.

    Anyways, tell the Wellie I said hello.
     
  19. Officer Doofy Hey Terry, smell my finger!

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    Looks like a good choice. By all accounts get his teams playing fantastic football.
     
  20. McGuire Gold Member Gold Member

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    Betis were excellent under him when they got in to Europe..

    Feel like they should've went for a Pochettino or even a Nagelsmann type though as Pochettino would get them set-up better and gives youngsters a chance and Nagelsmamm would have them exciting as *. I'm unsure what Setien will get from that defensive side of Barca..

    Also feel Valverde took them back that much it's gonna take quite a lot of time to get the deadwood out and shape that Barca side with a more fluid, solid and athletic side.....they certainly need it..