1. Having trouble logging in by clicking the link at the top right of the page? Click here to be taken to the log in page.
    Dismiss Notice

Ange Postecoglou

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Mr. Slippyfist, May 29, 2021.

Discuss Ange Postecoglou in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. celtic warrior

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2007
    Messages:
    11,421
    Likes Received:
    4,161
    So Celtic, a club that should be winning titles and challenging in some degree within Europe is now having to rely on youth?

    Play Abada as a partner, ok fine, have we not learnt anything from playing wingers as strikers? Morgan/Mikey, who then takes Abada's position right now then.

    With the exception of Welsh, who some probably have doubts over, our youth system hasn't looked great, Murray is promising but looks nervous in possession, Montgomery couldn't even pass 5 yards against Dundee utd. Ralston... Not you now but is not good enough for Celtic regardless of how he's been doing lately.

    Mikey, injured constantly.

    Hazard, wasn't good enough

    Where is this faith coming from that youth would be a alternative to improve results?

    The only one who's made a serious impact since Ronnie is KT, who else has even been worth it?

    How exactly can you get more out of Ajeti? He's been given chances, he's been given goal scoring opportunities and yet he can't put them away, do you not think Ange already has our strikers (well Ajeti only seeing how he's the only fit one at the club) already doing training on their finishing?

    Right now, the quality at the club is atrocious this is by far the weakest squad we've had in decades and is also the most unfit squad we've witnessed in a very long time. All of which is a failure by this board to set up any meaningful infrastructure to support the growth of our on field success.

    And that all means something, if we had no fitness infrastructure in place until recently with the new hire, quality may be great but it will only get us so far as players gas out by 60 minutes.

    I mean ffs, if it didn't mean anything, guys like Griff, Rogic, McCourt in the past, Giakoumakis now (assuming it's just a fitness issue), McCarthy would be world beaters and in all honesty, probably not celtic players to begin with then.

    This idea that Ange should just adapt and things would improve is a madness, people can say what they want about him turning down the job to begin if it were that bad but he's been brought in to do the jobs of departments that successful clubs (even the * huns) have since implemented in this modern day, full departments, yet Ange so far, is doing it alone, with the assistance of JK and Strachan. You can replace Ange’s name with anyone else, that is not going to a good way to achieve short or long term success they would all struggle.

    There is no where in the 11 that can be improved on right now at this very moment, our options outside of our 11 right now are honking it's either an option of unfit, rigid and slow players or completely inexperienced youth.
     
    rickyroma25 likes this.
  2. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2014
    Messages:
    20,611
    Likes Received:
    38,373
    ...and this was the problem that Celtic fans tried to labour to Aussie Ange fans. You might get time at Melbourne Victory and Yokohama Marinos to see eventual success of your methods. You don't at Celtic Football Club. You either succeed and earn the right to continue or fail and are shown the door.

    Well, he either changes that or he will soon be out of a job.

    He won't be getting 18 months if it isn't working. McKay leaving is certainly a cause for concern. The board are as much (if not more) on trial than Ange at the moment.

    Ange isolated himself from the get-go, accepting the job without insisting that his own backroom staff were brought in to be allies. That's all on him.

    Steady now.

    Would a football genius lose that game to that newly-promoted Hearts team that literally couldn't string 3 passes together? Definitely not.
    Would a football genius be out-thought by Robbie Neilson or a guy that was mopping floors in HMP Barlinnie when Ange was eating sushi? Definitely not.

    A football genius finds a way to win at all costs. Stein was a footballing genius, Shankly, Ferguson etc. Ange has done absolutely nothing to prove he's anywhere near that level.

    He had most people on board but the support isn't unconditional; with that support comes responsibility. Responsibility to understand the importance of winning games, not eventually but immediately to ensure we don't allow the huns a huge financial leg up.

    It also isn't a case of Ange v The Board in terms of who to support. They could both conceivably be not fit for purpose for Celtic. I think we have enough evidence to conclusively say that on the board, with Ange it remains to be seen. It's down to him to show that he has what it takes, not in January 2023 but now...
     
    rudebhoy67 and The Genius like this.
  3. oh bhoy

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,287
    Likes Received:
    2,605
    when has it ever been any different success it a must for any celtic manager. rodgers era showed the potential we have .whats wrong with demanding the very best anyway?
     
  4. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    62,329
    Likes Received:
    25,125
    Location:
    London
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Lubomir Moravcik
    Fav Celtic Song:
    You'll Never Walk Alone
    There's just no getting away from the fact that we shouldn't have dropped as many points as we have, no matter what mitigating circumstances people try and excuse it with. He's receiving criticism because he's not achieving the results expected of a Celtic manager. If we go on a winning run from now then everyone will praise him and be right behind him.
     
    Hammy89, rudebhoy67 and King of Kings like this.
  5. Leone Naka Fan

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2008
    Messages:
    11,056
    Likes Received:
    1,370
    Location:
    Croatia, near the city of Split
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Nakamura, Moravčik, Petrov, Ki
    Fav Celtic Song:
    You'll Never Walk Alone
    Well, I would mix up the midfield- not play both Rogić and Turnbull every game. McCarthy and Bitton would rotate at the base, McGregor (when back) and Soro as the link-up. I'd order players to take speculative shots instead of trying to create the perfect chance.
     
  6. celtic warrior

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2007
    Messages:
    11,421
    Likes Received:
    4,161
    Bitton doesn't deserve to be at the club anymore, he's not good enough and hasn't been used as a midfielder in years. He's shown time and time again he can't be trusted
     
    Noskeil likes this.
  7. Leone Naka Fan

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2008
    Messages:
    11,056
    Likes Received:
    1,370
    Location:
    Croatia, near the city of Split
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Nakamura, Moravčik, Petrov, Ki
    Fav Celtic Song:
    You'll Never Walk Alone
    Bitton is *, but McCarthy is injury prone, and rotation is a must. Bitton should have never played as a CB. As a DMF, at least he can focus on passing, which he's good at. The alternative is Shaw, I guess? Lawal?
     
  8. King of Kings

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2005
    Messages:
    9,967
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Fav Celtic Player:
    boruc
    Mate, without going through this in its entirety, the Dundee Utd team that we drew at home with started a 16 year old outfield player. For me, we should be capable of finding a way to win these games with the talent at our disposal.

    Ultimately, it’s Ange’s job to find those solutions, and I simply can’t accept that there’s no possible solution that would've seen better results than we’ve seen so far, even with the injuries we’ve had to contend with.

    I can recall you being very optimistic about is challenging for the league this season. Has that changed? It’s quite a drastic change to go from believing we would challenge to accepting the current situation. Apologies if it wasn’t you and not having a dig.
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2021
  9. EvilMonkey TalkShite Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    27,768
    Likes Received:
    10,185
    Are folk really denying we looked better than when he took over from Lennon, before we got injuries to a few key players ?

    I'll judge him when we have a settled squad to choose from.

    The last 2 games have been a struggle but the guy will need to get used to playing against 10 men defences, as I doubt he's experienced that before much in his managerial career.
     
    Lewis Kerr likes this.
  10. Lewis Kerr

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    2,724
    Likes Received:
    2,506
    Some fans are desperate for Ange to fail so a Strachan or Keane can come in and take over. It's weird
     
  11. celtic warrior

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2007
    Messages:
    11,421
    Likes Received:
    4,161
    I am confident we can challenge for the league, that's not changed. I think with a full squad, Kyogo back, McGregor back, Jullien back, Josip back, Giakoumakis ready and Forrest back, we could easily see the league table flip on its head and we shoot back up, then come Jan, we can out, get actual LBs who can play, sign another LW permanently to support Jota, then go an look at central midfield to find that energy and drive that a fit and firing Christie offered which is vital to Ange’s style.

    But right now, in this moment, with injuries, fitness and the lack of any structure at the club it's hardly a surprise that results are not forthcoming.

    People dismiss it as irrelevant and I get reasoning to, but any club in Europe in the mess we are in all struggle no matter the quality on the pitch. It's not great, I'm not suggesting it's acceptable, but it's realistic.
     
  12. Cumbernauld Bhoy67 Gold Member Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    3,554
    Likes Received:
    2,855
    Could be a million miles off it, but i’ve a feeling he could be away very soon off his own accord, guys acting very strange at the moment, he seems totally fed up.
     
  13. Zanderama

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2013
    Messages:
    1,753
    Likes Received:
    2,618
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Jinky
    Fav Celtic Song:
    ALL OF THEM!!!!
    Ive noticed his fed up demeanor in his past 2 press conferences too. Doesn't look happy but no wonder with the stupid questions they ask
     
    Cumbernauld Bhoy67 likes this.
  14. Couscous

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2014
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    17
    I, too, hope he's lost some weight, but it takes longer than a few days.
     
  15. King of Kings

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2005
    Messages:
    9,967
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Fav Celtic Player:
    boruc
    I don’t think I’ve seen anyone, anywhere suggest that. We looked great before our injures.

    The reality of football though is that injuries happen, and good manager adapt to that.

    One of thats I’ve had on Ange recently is that he might be a better coach than he is a manager. He got as playing to his style very quickly, and it was very effective. When it doesn’t work though, I don’t think he’s developed the ability to really adapt or change things.
     
  16. McChiellini..

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2012
    Messages:
    88,736
    Likes Received:
    52,147
    Location:
    Going to Rome..
    Fav Celtic Song:
    For those who are in love.....
    I've no went through all the page's here but I do wonder if McKay leaving has had a negative impact on him?

    When you watch their first press conferences together they did seem to have already built up a rapport with one another, and McKay was particularly glowing..

    Should still be doing much better regardless but the off field stuff can't be making it easy for him..

    Him biting to the media through a bad spell is doing him no favours by the way. Just fuels the flames of a man under intense pressure and feeling it..
     
  17. EvilMonkey TalkShite Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    27,768
    Likes Received:
    10,185

    Aye but folk seem to have forgot in the past few weeks. The Livi game was * poor tactically, but we've always struggled there for some reason. The DU game though, although we weren't at our best, we still could have won by a few. These things happen. Happened under every manager and will happen under every manager in future as well.

    Biggest gripe I have is Turnbull and Rogic playing together every game. The 2 of them are complete passengers defensively and that's where we're struggling. Problem is how light we are in that area.
     
    JC Anton likes this.
  18. DublinCeltic92

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2020
    Messages:
    766
    Likes Received:
    744
    He was talking just a couple of weeks before McKay left about how the two of them were going to plan out the restructuring of the club and begin the process of modernising it. You can bet he's fuming that the guy who brought him in and who he'd worked closely with since arriving has suddenly been binned.
     
    McChiellini.. likes this.
  19. McChiellini..

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2012
    Messages:
    88,736
    Likes Received:
    52,147
    Location:
    Going to Rome..
    Fav Celtic Song:
    For those who are in love.....
    They looked quite natural together..

    McKay a bit more smarmy with the media but when talking about each other and to each other it looked genuine..

    Aw well..
     
  20. Hammy89

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    10,340
    Likes Received:
    5,884
    Location:
    Paradise
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Larsson, McNamara, Moravčík, Boruc and Boyd
    Fav Celtic Song:
    YNWA, Fields Of Athenry and The Celtic Song
    We could've played Abada up top...

    We could've given a youngster a chance up top...

    Abada scored and a youngster would have given the same performance at worst as Ajeti.

    GG isn't far away from fitness from what I've read and we have Kyogo coming back soon enough.

    Like he said in the window, if he's not getting the players that he wants in, it's on him for not making that point big enough for the board to understand.

    I'd rather try Rogic up top than let Ajeti be an empty shirt.

    Also, it's up to him to get his game plan across to Ajeti. Get more out of him. Tell him where to go to have more of a chance. Yes, he fluffed an open goal. I'm not blaming Ange for that.

    I'm blaming Ange for 2 wins out of 7. His fault.
     
    The Genius and Leone Naka Fan like this.