Future Of Celtic And Scottish Football

Apologies if this has been posted/discussed elsewhere.

What are people's thoughts on the future of the club, and Scottish football?

Where does our future lie? Is it in Scotland or is it some new league set-up outwith this country?

Personally, I'd prefer us to remain in Scotland, but we have become so dominant that we're in a position where we're too big, and too good for Scottish football, but not good enough for Europe.

It would appear the board's ambitions don't stretch beyond winning the league, pocketing a decent wee bit of change for automatic qualification and treating anything more than that as a bonus. They won't throw (what they consider) silly money at chasing European success, and given what happened at Sevcoland, that is understandable.

So where does that leave us, and the Scottish game?

It's already been almost forty years since a club other than ourselves or a team from Ibrox won the title. I can't see how anyone else (in my lifetime - and I'm hoping to have a few decades left in me still) can win it again.

I've mentioned elsewhere on here that fans of clubs such as Dundee United etc., will point fingers at a busload of Celtic fans from Lochee and blame them for Utd being unable to compete. This is simply untrue, though. United have more than enough of their own fans, who could pack out their stadium, but they don't bother.

If we left Scottish football, it would become more competitive, which would attract more fans.

But where would we go and how would that affect our own support?

Our fans travel all over the world supporting Celtic, but that just isn't feasible if we join some European league and away matches are in a foreign country every fortnight.

Would the club - and many fans - swap our dominance and likelihood of Champions League qualification every year for something new, exciting and more competitive, that also benefits Scottish football but would bring logistical problems and perhaps a lack of success?

 

I'd bite the hand off to move to the English Premier.

 

This is going against the grain, as Trebles are great for us as fans, but the period just after Rangers died and SEVCO being born and the arrival of Rodgers was very good for the game in Scotland, because other teams actually won some cups and got to finals.
I would like to see some of our promising academy players getting sent out to Aberdeen, Hibs and Dundee United to get game time and improve their squads.

 

More finance not just that but it spent wisely better commercialisation of the game can’t believe it take. Until today for their to be a marketing manager put In place I believe something like this was held back incase they took the cheif exec if spfl job funny how it’s came about once the sfa agreed to invest in it also we need better facilties for some clubs to make our product more attractive and rid of these * plastic pitches Aberdeen and Dundee both have new stadium projects but are struggling to fulfill them

Each club now can show 5 games outside of 3pm on paper view out of what sky doesn’t pick that’s sixty games give or take so the teams should come together and create a monthly service in the uk with those games they will make more money that way having our fans subscribe than clubs doing it individually add the money to the prize pit then divide on league position


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Celtic need to start investing properly in players that can actually get us competing in Europe. The Huns have been at two Euro finals in the last 15 years, so why can’t we do it? Our aim should be making that a reality for us, too, but we’re way off that, currently.

 

The ONLY way forward is to utterly defy Uefa and FIFA.

Abandon euro competition, and set up our own "super league". Ie, the Atlantic league.

4 top teams from each league in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland and holland.

As it stands, that would be a league of ;

IF Elfsborg
Malmö FF
BK Häcken
Djurgårdens IF
Celtic
Sevco
Aberdeen
Hearts
Feynoord
Psv
Ajax
Alkmaar
Bodo/ glimt
Bran
Sarpsborg
Viking
Nordsjælland
Copenhagen
Agf
Viborg

In order to maintain an open shop; the lowest placed side of each nationality would be relegated back to their domestic league, with the domestic champions promoted.

Each team would still be obliged to participate in domestic cup competitions.


The last proposal for this (2 years ago) was fronted by an Irish side, backed by JP Morgan, and had Irish teams involved. It had a projected first year revenue of 350m. But DD said no, and never explained why. It apparently also got the go ahead from Uefa.

Imo opinion it's the ONLY viable solution to grow and move forward. Our revenues from league participation alone would eclipse what we get from Europe, and the trickle down effect to domestic leagues would be far greater too.

You're looking at at least 30 odd million for a top 4 finish. At LEAST. And that would only grow.

TV rights would go through the * roof in each country. As well as the obvious economic value for each city for visiting away supporters.

It's an absolute no brainer for me.

We are NEVER being invited to the EPL. It's been blocked on 3 separate occasions by the "big" 5 sides who only see a threat to their revenue streams.
The notion that "sky will decide it" is also nonsense. Sky was caught flat footed and completely out of the loop with their "super league" stunt, and would've been left holding the contract for a decimated EPL (which they obviously would've tried to void), whilst the TV rights for the new super League were up for bid. Sky don't decide *. They do what the big teams tell them to do. Same as Uefa.

 

Desmond’s kysboshed it because Celtic make more money the way things are the now and will make more money with the new format
Atlantic league doesn’t make difference to our season tickets and Europe adds 3 extra home games and will possibly add two more under new format and the tv money is going to grow in cl

Plus the fact he’s always held out for epl which I think is a pipe dream.


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The only answer should be to split the wealth and help to grow the scottish game.
A portion of the proceeds of europe should be put into a pot and divided out to scottish teams to improve facilities and infrastructure.

if your answer is to move to england, you are just as bad as that what you most likely despise. Soulless, money grabbing, self entitled.
If you moan now about the cost of games, season ticket prices, tv sports subscriptions, it will only get worse.

If your answer is any kind of superleague you are worse.

 

The only way to GENUINELY improve Scottish football is 100% certain never to happen. Basically it would require a sea-change in current mentality from us, the Huns and the SFA/SPFL in a way that would never be palatable. In short, we'd need to actively subsidize all of Scottish football, and to actively promote it, in a way that'll never occur because:

1) Our board would never give up the money, power control.
2) The Huns couldn't afford to even if they were inclined, which they'd never be.
3) The institutions in Scotland are completely unable to grasp anything other than their 'old firm' duopoly as the natural state of things - actually, most clubs do too.

The only way to do it would be to drain the resources of ourselves, the Huns, some other SPFL clubs to spread resources around other clubs, in return for them surrendering certain controls/restrictions they currently utilize to eke out their continued existence. We'd need to pool all moneys, and share them over about a 20 club share - the 14 clubs get 1 share each, 3 shares to the championship, 2 to league 2 and 1 to league 3 for instance. In all cases, divided equally provided the clubs meet certain criteria - basically a 1st team, reserve and a youth team.

In return we get to televise any match, and sell rights we want and market in any way we choose - it would be in every clubs best interest to maximize all means of generating cash via structure, tv matches and advertising etc.

Summer football to get optimal condition for fans/tv and to avoid the direct conflict with our direct rival - EPL, and to better prep out teams for European qualification.

Lots of * that basically none of the dinosaurs in Scottish football would even consider...

In short, nothing will change because the vested interests from all parties are too great and ingrained

 

I’d like to see more European football at the expense of one of the Scottish cups.

Europe > EPL for me.

 

Out future within Scotland is relative decline compared with other top teams from European leagues.

The only caveat to that is either a) a oil baron style takeover, or b) the Scottish FA start to give a * about growing the game financially, marketing better abroad, etc.

Given that both those eventualities seem fairly unlikely at present, the sooner we can get out of this and into an English/Super league, the better.

 

I think with the expansion of the UCL and more European games, we should be playing at a higher level more regularly.

Cross-border leagues could also be more common like the one discussed between Belgium and the Netherlands. It wouldn't shock me if we were invited to a project like that in the next few years.

The greedy part of me would love to join the EPL, but really can never see it happening unless the UK government try and force the issue as a way to help prevent independence.

 

The EPL will happen eventually imo. Probably when they need a new USP after their leagues appeal starts to level out or decline.

 

I really don't want Celtic anywhere near the EPL. Soul-less, money-oriented cesspit of a league. I prefer the English championship when watching English football.

I agree some sort of cross border league with other "smaller" nations could be a good idea. It would also leave the competition open for the other Scottish teams to compete for trophies.

 

Only way forward long term is to ditch UEFA and Sky, but that wont happen until the big clubs start teetering and going bust.

Have all the leagues in Europe band together. Play half the season as domestic and the other half on European level, both with a short leagues & cups. Then at the end of the season a world cup style knock out tournament of all league and cup winners.

Allow teams to sell their own tv rights for domestic games and then a dedicated channel for all European level leagues and end of season tournament.

Would likely never happen but it’s a pipe dream I hope for. The day this club joins the EPL is the day the club stands against everything it was built for.

 

Already levelled out last tv contract with sky they got less than before still a large amount but it did depreciate


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Btw the time for change was back in 92 when epl was founded we should have started a cross border league with the welsh and Irish teams you would have a cross border market just look at the rugby United rugby championship started off as cross border and it’s now financially healthier than English league rugby wouldn’t happen now as the welsh clubs have been seduced by the English money


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No matter what if Celtic were anywhere near the EPL I would be done with the club.

 

That seems a bit extreme, what's your reasoning?

 

Unfortunately today's football is all about money and we have to find ways to make extra revenue or we will be left behind big time and we will be struggling to even compete in the conference league.
When you see championship sides are nearly paying 100,000 a week on some players we are struggling even to compete with that all because of the sky TV money .