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Antoine Ortega added to sports science team

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Henrik 07, Jan 12, 2022.

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  1. The Prof Administrator Administrator

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    Going from memory here but at the Larsson-Sutton-Hartson thing a few months ago I’m sure Mjallby quotes O’Neill as saying something like, “Johan you’re not the best player so just get the ball to the front guys as quickly as possible”.

    This is obviously something of a simplification but I think this was the philosophy of O’Neill and I think Lennon copied it.

    The problem is what worked in the early 00s with Premier League and Champions League winners in their late 20s wasn’t necessarily going to work in 2020 with our squad.

    Football has moved on. Lennon’s approach is never going to work again at a top club. He should’ve spent his years in the wilderness re-learning and adapting, instead he just tried the same old tactics and it fell flat on its face.
     
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    Finally some.backroom staff movement.

    That's two in the door, just another 8 or so to go.

    Great to get someone like this in, good pedigree, good experience, a lot of his own work being done and talent to lean on.

    However, he and the others need a team of guys. These job roles are not one man jobs.

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    What i am wondering is when the Rat was in charge we was meant to be heading it some great direction with new pitch and staff and everything. So how did we get to where we currently are and in this mess.
    It cant be lenny * everything at the club or were the club actually not making changes when the rat was here.:39:
     
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    My theory is that everything Rodgers wanted and got, was removed once he was gone- all the staff expansion. Apparently the board were glad to see the back of him?
     
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    Folk saying 'finally' etc, Anton McElhone joined the club as Head of Sports Science at the beginning of the season, after Jack Nayler left for Leipzig. Dunno why folk are acting like we didn't have a sports science department before Ortega was added, when we did.
     
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    Don't think anyone's saying we didn't but we didn't/don't have enough. Ange even alluded to it in a presser before I'm sure..
     
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    I understand him taking a few staff with him, but scouts and medical staff and trainers. There can be a shitload of staff behind the scenes. Or is it just a case of neglect for many many years regardless of manager.
     
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    Ach it's just comments like 'starting to become a modern club' that seem inaccurate to me. It's been a bit of a narrative on here for a while and it doesn't necessarily reflect the reality.
     
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    McElhone was appointed late in September as an emergency reaction to our first injury crisis. Nayler had left in June.

    Since McElhone coming in our injury crisis has returned and worsened. At best, we can say McElhone needs help, hence why this is a celebrated appointment that’s obviously come 7 months too late.
     
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    We're lagging miles behind forward thinking clubs in respect.of Sports Science & Data Analysis.

    In an age when we're up against it financially it's absolutely an area we should be improving upon to give us that 'edge'.

    Clubs like Salzburg, Ajax, Dinamo Zagreb etc. have embraced modern advances and they're reaping the benefits for it, both on and off the park.

    The fact we had a manager employed who didn't embrace the benefits of Sports Science a mere 12 months ago tells all that we still have work to do. Ange is demanding more of the club - quite rightly - but it shouldn't take his intervention and realistically long-term infrastructure changes shouldn't really be in the domain of the first-team manager.
     
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    So apart from Anton McElhone, who else did we have in this “department” ?

    Modern clubs have whole teams of guys behind the scenes
     
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    Good addition
     
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    We lost the academy sports scientist to Rodgers leiscter will Ortega be replacing him ?


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    It's disingenuous to say McElhone was an 'emergency reaction'. We were always going to replace Nayler.

    I don't disagree with you when you say we should be improving in that area, but my point was that over the past year and a half, I've seen a lot of people claim that these positions don't exist at the club, or that somehow as a club we don't do anything like sports science. The reactions to this new guy's appointment are similar to that narrative. It's not true. Any improvement or expansion of these departments is warmly welcome.
    Did Lennon really not embrace sports science? How do we know that?

    Well from what I can find, along with McElhone and this new guy, there's also William Currie, William Bergin, and Mark Maxwell working at the club in a 'Sports Scientist' capacity.

    No clue.
     
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    Bergin and Maxwell are working in the youth team, small setup for a big club in this day and age hence my comment
     
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    This guy claiming to be joining us as a Data Analyst too.
     
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    We need it for the youth players too though.
     
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