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The Celtic Trust - Fan Ownership/Representation

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  1. Bunk Moreland

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    All those Bunsesliga clubs don't call for their manager to be sacked after a few draws and losses, all those Bundesliga clubs don't expect to win the league every single year plus at least one Cup and qualification to the CL. Not even comparable.
     
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  2. celtic warrior

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    Fan ownership would toxic here as it is toxic at clubs like Real Madrid.
     
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  3. Bobo_ Gold Member Gold Member

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    It’s almost like you’re describing 2020/21 Borussia Dortmund
     
  4. Bunk Moreland

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    It's fairytale pish.
     
  5. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    This isn't a few draws and losses. This is the worst the club has performed in a very long time, across far more than just the results (or lack thereof)

    When the club goes from playing great to ayingbthis * and sustain that * for so long you woukd be a * idiot to not want change
     
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  7. davidhannah

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    Our club is under the control of charlatans and thieves. Its time to move them on. And take back control of our football club. The board turned themselves against the fans.
     
  8. Scotzbhoy

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    So many people missing the point about this. It's not about who specifically runs the club or about fans just arguing about everything, it's about making sure that the people who do run the club are accountable. For all the good stuff we've enjoyed over the last decade or so, right now Lawwell is * it all up the wall and showing little sign he knows and/or cares how to move the club forward. He can get away with this because he's not currently accountable to the fans. That needs to change.
     
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    7 wins ins 22 when we have the best squad in the country is unnacceptable, the board must be held accountable and we must have some way to force them to communicate and explain their decisions. the silence has been defeaning an di'll take the trust over lawell anyday.
     
  10. Bunk Moreland

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    It's not really a new thing, in fact it's happened twice already in Scotland immediately following a period of domination. In the 77-78 season we went from 9 in a row to 5th in the league and no trophies. The Huns in 97-98 went from cheating their way to 9 in a row to runners up and no trophies.

    Oh and I do want change at the management and coaching staff level but that's it.
     
  11. Morcombe

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    leaving the board as it is will just keep us in this pointless loop of always looking for the cheap option, getting to a certain strength level and then downsizing just to build our way back up to it. we need to stay at that level and try to build upwards. that will never happen under lawell, celtic have no future under him.
     
  12. Bunk Moreland

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    This "cheap option" talk is 100% bollocks, Lennon has cost us more than Rodgers so it wasn't a cheap option just a bad decision.

    So what you're saying is Celtic have no future under someone that's helped deliver how many trophies?
     
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    I mean refusing to give hibs an extra 500k to get steven fletcher which ultimately cost us the title in 2009 and saw that mob go on to win 3 in a row, i mean going for a complete unknown in ronny deila and wasting two years of time under him, i mean refusing to get rodgers the players he wanted so he jumped ship at the first opportunity he saw and not even bothering to look at other candidates for the job when Lennon was caretaker, i mean blowing 5 million on ajeti when the striker everyone wanted was Toney and all it would have cost was an extra 1 million.

    I mean waiting every single season till we're knocked out of the qualifiers for the champions league before actually spending any money instead of getting in players quickly to ensure we progress and thus having to sell our most profitable players.

    No i'm afraid peter lawell has cost us more money than any manager with his refusal to get players in on time to ensure champions league football. every year we dont qualify he costs us 30 million and more in advertising, television and ticket money.

    Peter will always go for the keep us in the black option, he takes no risks because he wants to ensure his 3 million+ bonus every year, so yes Celtic have no future with this man, we will now go back to trading leagues with the scum every now and then and winning the domestic cups as per usual when we had a chance to leave the scottish game in our dust and be able to focus more on making inroads into the champions league group stages and europa league knockout rounds.

    if early qualifying round exits and an occasiaonal league and cup successes are what you are happy with then by all means keep rooting for Lawell, I however want more, I want to see my club on the biggest stage as often as possible and we will never accomplish that under peter lawell.

    we're already losing many of the future generations support to the epl, and who can blame them when the biggest game of the week celtic can show on a wednesday night is away to hamilton, st mirren and ross county while the champions league is on the same nights with all the english clubs there, what's looks more appealing to the eye and will draw the attention of teh future generation cause it certainly wont be celtic.

    so again celtic have no future under lawell, it is death by 1000 cuts under him.
     
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    So he's cost us 2 or 3 leagues but won 0 for us. Ok
     
  15. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Concerned members of The Celtic Trust have called for an urgent root-and-branch shake up of the club at a members’ meeting last month.

    The meeting was held just prior to Celtic’s announcement of the resignation of CEO Peter Lawwell at the end of the season.

    Trust members pressed for an early meeting with the club top brass following the collapse of the football season with only the Scottish Cup to play for.

    Jeanette Findlay, acting secretary said: “Following the deterioration in the team performance, Trust members called for a top to bottom review of club activities, from the boardroom to the pitch.”

    “There is a real disconnect between the corporate board and the ordinary paying fans,” Jeanette revealed.

    Supporters are angry about the club's poor communication with fans and have called for a shake-up of the Celtic boardroom.

    “Public relations by the club has been shambolic” she said, “with senior club officials either silent or offering ill-judged statements through the national sports media.

    The Celtic Trust has been critical of the board’s ‘stale, male and pale’ make-up. The invisible chairman, Ian Bankier, has been in post for almost a decade and there have been no meetings of the nominations committee in the last twelve months to even consider whether new blood and thinking is required in the Celtic boardroom.

    “It is apparent there has been a stagnation at board level in Celtic PLC over a number of years,” Jeanette said, “and – while the announcement that the CEO will be retiring at the end of the season is a step in the right direction – a shake-up is long overdue for anyone with a passing knowledge of good corporate governance standards.”

    More than 200 members and shareholders of the Celtic Trust attended the online meeting held on 26 January 2021. The Trust will meet the PLC board to discuss these matters on 17 February.

    Members passed resolutions calling for:

    • A root and branch review of all of our operations – football and non-football – to be carried out specifically with regard to the performance of the CEO and the football manager
    • Radical changes in our football department. These are urgently required and should be motivated by the results of a comprehensive study of how different models operate in Europe.
    • A review of the performance and contribution of the chairman should be carried out and changes made to the composition of non-executive directors.
     
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  16. SteveyNico67

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    Can the Celtic trust do something about this please - they keep banging on about ‘55’. It’s:

    1.

    1 league title to their name when it comes

    Their old club died

    There’s a NewCo.

    Why are we allowing this lie to continue?
    Even most of the rangers formers players admitted it at the time.

    There’s official proof it’s going for 1 and not going for 55.

    Losing the 10 is one thing in the manner we did but the club STANDING BY and allowing the press to run this lie without challenge is beyond the pale.




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  17. Bobo_ Gold Member Gold Member

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    Agreed. This should be top of the agenda at the Trust’s next meeting
     
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  18. Liam Scales Gold Member Gold Member

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    Lennons won zero leagues? Ye wot?
     
  19. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    The Chair and I met with Celtic on Wednesday. Here is a summary of the meeting.

    Report back to members of the meeting with Celtic PLC on Wednesday 17 February 2021.

    In attendance: David Low, Jeanette Findlay (Celtic Trust); Peter Lawwell, Michael Nicholson, Chris McKay, John Paul Taylor (Celtic PLC)

    1. The Trust reps presented the two resolutions which had been passed by the Celtic Trust members on 26 January 2021. It was noted by us that, since that meeting, the retirement of Peter Lawwell had been announced and there had been a statement from the Chairman which did not provide any outcomes of the review which the Club had said they were carrying out.

    In response to the first resolution which called for a root & branch review the Club said the following:

    There are opportunities for the club to have a look at how we operate post-Peter Lawwell; consideration has been given to this for the last few years; they have taken into account what has happened over the last few months and noted, in particular that when things are not going well there is heightened scrutiny in terms of recruitment.

    They indicated that they have some ideas and recommendations on how the club goes forward but as a club they are optimistic about the fundamentals of our club and, in their view, Celtic are a modern, progressive football club regarded as such by football in Scotland and Europe.

    When asked for a timeline for the outcome of these deliberations they indicated that they were working towards expected changes to European competition focussing on making sure Celtic is relevant and has access and participates in whatever comes along. These changes are expected to happen in 2024 – they said they are limited in the information they can share but it does involve radical change and that this will become obvious in the next week or two – UEFA will be doing presentations around Europe.

    They said that they cannot give us a timeline in relation to the internal review of operations which is currently being carried out but, when asked about the scope of the matters under consideration they indicated that it was football operations and how the club operates in terms of the executives. Trust reps pressed the Celtic reps on the question of whether the manager was likely to be in place next season. We were told that they would not answer that. We were told it will be a Board decision regarding any changes in personnel

    They are not currently looking at the role of the NEDS (as requested by our members) but they agreed to take our serious concerns on board re the NEDs back to the Board and respond to us at our next meeting.

    The Trust reps then raised the content of the second resolution which related to the shares held personally by Peter Lawwell. The reps indicated that we believe that executive salaries at Celtic PLC are excessive for the business they are in and that this call was for Peter Lawwell to give some of that back to the fans in the form of his shares which were part of his remuneration package. We were informed that there have been no shares allocated to PL as part of his salary package and that the only shares he owns are ones that he purchased personally and that he intends to retain them within his family.

    2. In this item, the Trust reps asked the Celtic reps to provide some clarity on what the position will be re season tickets for this year and next year? We were told that:

    • Last year is clear – people can still get their refunds.
    • This year it is not clear and that they are currently working out how to approach this.
    • They said that, in their view, there is no right for refunds for this year.
    • They said that they could not give any clarity on what added value will look like because, at this point, they just don’t know.
    The Trust reps said that in their estimation there is a potential £15-20 million value gap (cost of average ST less the value per head of the live stream times 50,000)



    The Trust reps made it clear that, in our view, there is a moral and legal obligation to offer Celtic supporters a refund. However, we recognised the impact this would have on the team going forward and proposed an innovative and clever solution in the form of offering ST holders an option of shares in lieu of cash. This is in line with the resolutions passed at our January meeting and is possible given the resolutions on pre-emption rights passed in the December 2020 PLC AGM.

    The Celtic reps agreed to take this proposal back to the Board for consideration and come back to us. CT reps stressed that there is a time constraint on this given the fast-approaching renewal date (although it is likely the renewal campaign will be later this year dues to Covid19 related uncertainty).

    3. CT reps, under this item, asked for comments regarding the apparent differential treatment of Celtic and other clubs in relation to Covid breaches. There was a discussion of this but no conclusion was reached and no action point agreed or communicated to us.

    4. CT reps, under this item, asked for comments regarding the club view on various controversial refereeing decisions within the Premier League. Again, a discussion was held and no firm action point was agreed or communicated to us.

    5. We noted the launch on the Celtic website of the comprehensive set of FAQs for shareholders who have become disconnected from their shares. This was a Trust initiative, negotiated with the Club and we are very pleased that it is now there to help shareholders.

    6. The Celtic reps initiated a discussion on matters relating to the Resolution 12 subject matter and stated that there has been and is ongoing discussion on regulatory issues and alleged shortcomings but that the rules and regulations of the relevant regulatory bodies of which Celtic is member demands a high level of member confidentiality and does not permit Celtic to relay this information in an uncontrolled manner.

    Best wishes

    Jeanette Findlay (Acting Secretary)
     
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    Without sounding like an * Celtic is a club where I would not want fan ownership. We’re such a a fickle fan base and if the average supporter had any say whatsoever in the running of the club we’d be run like Real Madrid or Barcelona sacking managers at the drop of a hat and constant mental signings