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PM Statement - Speculation

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by Henke102, Apr 18, 2017.

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  1. Random Review

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    Everything's cheap that isn't imported and for most imported goods there is a Chinese equivalent. Coffee is one of those things where there isn't.
     
  2. Sween

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    I do hope those thinking of voting Labour remember that in 1930 Ramsay MacDonald refused to grant independence to India. And * forbid voting Lib Dem - they tried to force conscription into the British army on the Irish (albeit in 1918)...
     
  3. Avatar Daizen The Last Hunskelper Gold Member

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  4. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Stop it .. :40:

    Was that the same Macdonald that formed a government with the, shock horror, tories, in an effort to fix the UK economy. Am sure, as well, he was involved in helping to prop up the value of gold, before abandoning it or something, as well back in the day. He could well have been one of the original champagne socialist's if memory serves me rightly blair took inspiration from him :giggle1:
     
  5. mygirlmaria

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    Well, by your usual diatribe against me, i take that as an improvement. 'Trumpet' is sort of acceptable as an insult.....i think! :giggle1:
    Mate, how many people in here do you honestly believe are sitting on the fence right now? Seriously?

    Id be amazed if it was more than 5%.

    At the end of the day, no one makes any concessions to their opponents if they dont need to. For people to complain about her not participating, you absolutely have to then try and figure out why they are complaining!

    Lets just say for example that Nicolas Sturgeon was a great politician, was honourable and popular, but was hopeless in public debates......do you think for a second we would be having this discussion?

    I will never vote Tory for as long as i live, but, that does not mean for me that i detest the ground they walk on like some in here. For the most part, they truly believe in what they preach. They are not the sons and daughters of Satan.....they just happen to believe in the free market.....like 99% of Americans.

    Theresa May for me, is not the worst Tory PM i have encountered. In fact, i would say deep down she is not a bad person, but.....we are poles apart politically.

    Honestly mate, it has been a calculated move for them not to participate in a public debate....you accept that im sure, so you then have to ask, who is likely to lose out if public debates do not go ahead? The Tories? Doubt it. Labour/ Liberal? Possibly. SNP.....definitely.The SNP are so confident of Nikki on a public platform that to deny her it, is a blow.

    Regarding your point about neutral voters....i reject it, as i dont believe in the UK it will make a jot of a difference. However, as i alluded to initially, which has been overlooked....i totally accept that for Scotland, it may be relevant, as a few percent here and there may end up shaping our future, and as an opponent of 'Separation', i welcome her refusal to give Nikki a platform.
     
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    Ok, i was being a bit flippant about the numbers/affect etc....they may well influence a few more than i gave credit to, but, in the UK, they wont matter. In Scotland they might, as Sturgeon is perceived as good at them.

    I must admit im flabbergasted at the incredulity shown by her refusal to participate. I mean, if the roles were reversed and it was Nikki refusing to debate against say a new young Labour leader who was seen as a brilliant debater.....you would all be falling over yourselves excusing her! Be honest at least!
     
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    I'm not someone who see's the SNP as infallible mate, far from it. Being completely honest, when I first raised a point about the debate, the image I had in my head was one of May vs Corbin in a 1 vs 1 scenario! I hadn't even thought of Sturgeon until you mentioned her but you are right - she should definitely be included, alongside leaders of the other major parties.

    I'm not sure why the SNP have to come into this in all honesty, because to me it isn't really a party political issue - debate is simply a healthy part of any political system and televising it does have an impact of the voting intentions of a fairly large percentage of the electorate.

    For what's it worth I think Sturgeon comes across quite well in them, but then Salmond was often billed as a master-debator and got his * handed to him by Darling in the first Indy Ref debate. I would be very surprised if Sturgeon was significantly better than May, certainly not to the extent that it should be avoided because of some perceived ability gap.

    Curious though that a certain parties leaders (Cameron/May) are often seen running for cover whenever challenged on their ideas in a public platform :39:
     
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    If you have a perceived advantage, and need not do anything to risk that advantage, why risk giving it away?

    Yes, the debates are interesting to some, but even given viewing figures of say 12%, how many of that 12% are really undecided prior to watching them? As ive asked, how many in here are truly undecided? Are you? Im not.

    Like i said, i think more people who are unsure make their mind up as a result of how the debates are perceived in the media than they are by the actual debates. Most dont watch, but read their favourite papers and usually agree.
     
  9. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Diatribe but can't use an uppercase 'i'. Mygirlenigma.
     
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    Im just lazy when it comes to typing. :celt_smil