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Scottish Leaders Election Debate Tonight!

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  1. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Harvie almost lost it when he was asked if his red line was any party that was capitalist. He a lucky boy no-one bothered to punish him on that. He should have just stuck to the trident statement and zipped it, but nope he is a politician and thought he was on a roll :smiley-laughing002:
     
  2. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Agreed, he made a mistake. Capitalism isn't a red line for the Greens so he shouldn't have intimated it was.
     
  3. Markybhoy

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    Sounds eerily like last night's debate.

    Call me cynical but I don't believe these hand picked audiences are as neutral as they are claimed to be. It's like Question Time, you think you're watching a panel of politicians talking to an audience of ordinary people off the street but that's not the reality. There are party activists and plants in the audience who go there with the sole intention of grilling whoever it is they perceive to be their biggest political rival.

    In the run up to the referendum the BBC was anything but neutral and in any live debates they had the audiences always seemed to be more weighted towards No than Yes. You could argue that reflects how the final vote went but I'm not buying it. Are we really supposed to believe that studio audiences are always naturally anti-Independence/anti-SNP/pro Liebour? * of a * coincidence if they are. These things are set up.
     
  4. CelticFC1967

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    The mind boggles with regards to the amount of Celtic fans supporting SNP nowadays. It's literally only 3/4 years after chants of '* the SNP' were sung by thousands at Parkhead. They're not for me and nor will they ever be.

    Murphy was actually not bad tonight and Scottish Labour are actually offering left-wing policies. The problem is that they're hard to trust and will not actually be able to implement most of said policy.

    People are completely blinded by the referendum and are not listening to what each party is saying and what they are offering - everything SNP is suddenly correct and everything Labour is saying is a lie.

    Describing SNP as left-wing or socialist is laughable. I'm tempted to vote Green but it ultimately would be a wasted vote so torn between them and Labour.
     
  5. Intellectually Absurd Gold Member Gold Member

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    The mind boggles why people make political decisions based on football.....
     
  6. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Is it not , oh well then, we will need to go after that at a later date. Policy being made on the hoof costs votes :icon_mrgreen:

    It just shows, no matter how simple your task may appear to be there is always the over talking risk. After his trident statement the crowd applauded and he then decided to keep talking, bad move.
     
  7. CelticFC1967

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    Who's doing that?
     
  8. CelticFC1967

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    I ended up voting Yes mainly because of various reasons such as that. I will not vote for SNP though.

    Not meaning yourself here but it's funny how during the referendum we were constantly told it's not a vote for SNP and other party voters are welcome to vote yes. Suddenly now it has became blasphemous to criticise SNP.
     
  9. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Aye let's vote for the future of our children based on the fact the SNP won't let us sing at football grounds or jump side to side at Parkhead :56:
     
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    Who's doing that?
     
  11. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I've no idea mate but I certainly won't be.

    I'm voting SNP so eventually the party that I do vote for will be the party that governs my Country, Scotland.
     
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    Liebour have lied to and let down the working class and poorest people in Scotland for decades. In my opinion it's absolute naivety to think they'd suddenly make good on their promises this time.

    In fact this time they're not even bothering to make all that many promises. Certainly not compared to what they've promised in the past. The reason being they're already committed to implementing most of the cuts the Tories are making so in reality * all would change were they to win the election.
     
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    Been getting this vibe as well from some people i've been talking to about voting.

    There are other po-indy parties but a lot of folk seem to think it's only the SNP. Sure, they've probably got the biggest support to actually hold another referendum but i'd rather not highten their ego more by voting that way.
     
  14. Intellectually Absurd Gold Member Gold Member

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    Well, our goal is to get the best deal for Scotland, who best to represent Scotland and get whats best for Scotland than the Scottish National Party?

    They genuinely care for us, unlike the unionist parties which has an abundance of careerist politicians, willing to sell their soul for their 30 pieces of silver.

    You said, and I quote: ''The mind boggles with regards to the amount of Celtic fans supporting SNP nowadays.''

    Who do you suppose we do vote then? I mean in an independent Scotland, I do believe it would have been politically fertile and we would have seen a real Labour party re-birthed. A new re-imagining of the Conservatives and the Greens also taking more prominence. However we voted no and we are stuck within the political confines of the British union. We work with what we have and the best way to achieve whats best for Scotland is to vote SNP.

    To address your point aimed at me - you seem to be making political decisions based on football. The very fact you question why a Celtic fan would vote SNP (because of their bill) is basing political decisions upon footballing matters.

    This is for you Celtic1967
     
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    As is your right to do so!

    Hence why I said I do not trust them to come good on the policies they are offering.

    Spot on, we were even told that Labour voters were welcome to vote Yes and still continue voting Labour. This includes myself, albeit I am sceptical about continuing to vote Labour, but I have been spoken down to purely because I am considering voting Labour.

    As a footnote, I find the unwelcoming nature of 'the 45'/Nats/SNP voters with regards to anyone that possibly suggests an alternative party will ultimately mean the 45 will always be the 45.
     
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    If Labour or Conservative were pro-independence then you would see a flurry to them to. People are using the SNP as a vehicle to reach the end, the greater cause - independence.

    And 'un-welcoming' nature, ehh?
     
  17. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I don't buy into any of the 45 stuff but I don't see them as being unwelcoming either. In fact the only people that seem to ram the Referendum result down the other sides throats are those that voted No and that includes the party leaders as shown last night and tonight.
     
  18. CelticFC1967

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    I never mentioned the bill at any point in my post. I never said I was not voting SNP because of my football team either. Indeed my post symbolises just quite how drastic the changes I have been in the political landscape in Scotland.

    Personally, I find it abhorrent that football fans can have their door kicked in at 6am because they sang roll of honour at a football game, I do not deny. I also find the behaviour of Alex Salmond and his interference in Aberdeen to ensure his pal Donald Trump managed to further his wealth at the expense of local citizens on areas of scientific interest equally abhorrent. I also find the cuts in funding for college/apprenticeships to pay for extra University free tuition by the SNP Government unfair. SNP has not redistributed wealth from the rich to the poor. The policy, which I believe Sturgeon may have moved away from recently, to cut corporation tax was another flaw.

    I have numerous reasons for not wanting to vote SNP. To suggest I am basing it on football is unfair. That is, however, one of many issues I disagree with vehemently. I believe in left-wing policies and strongly against Conservatives. The only party offering proper left-wing politics that would actually implement it given the opportunity are the Green Party. They are, however, not going to be in power anytime soon. Labour are the better alternative to another Conservative government for me and that is why I am torn between both. That is my take on the matter.
     
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    Staunch '45ers' are as welcoming of alternative opinions as staunch unionists are of those that want independence. Inbetween lies a large group of people that are not particularly nailed to one side who are not set firmly on whether independence is a viable option and are not set on a particular party. I'd consider myself to be within that bracket and I do not feel that those that use the whole 45 image are doing anything to actually convince people to join them.
     
  20. Markybhoy

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    If you're talking about within the sphere of the internet then I can see why you would say that. Has that really been your experience when talking to Nats/SNP voters face to face though?

    I'd be surprised if it was but will be interested to hear your answer.

    It's just such an emotive subject. I rant away on here at times and the referendum result hurt like * but if I was discussing politics with you face to face I would be a good deal calmer about it. I don't know why that is, it just is. I suspect it's the same for many people. It's easier to bash away at your keyboard than it is to rant in someone's face I suppose. Most people will mean no real harm though. You'll get the odd genuine * but you get them anywhere in life.

    For the record, I saw just as many people behaving like arseholes in the lead up to the referendum who were No voters as what I saw on the Yes side. That's only my experience though. I would say it's an unfair generalisation to say that Nationalists/SNP voters are unwelcoming as a body of people.
     
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