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Why is Labour still holding on in Glasgow?

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by Vertie Auld, Feb 11, 2015.

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  1. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Who done that ?
     
  2. Tifosi Celtic

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  3. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Seriously , * * never knew that :97:
     
  4. Markybhoy

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    I agree. I also have no intention of standing as an SNP MP or MSP. :56:
     
  5. Markybhoy

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    You really are a *. In a thread about the Liebour Party in Glasgow you still manage to get a wee sly dig in about religion. Change the record for * sake.
     
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    "A vote for SNP is a vote for the Tories" . According to Blair McDougall anyway.

    I don't really care who is in power, not voting again cause i'm still in the huff about the referndum.
     
  8. CelticFC1967

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    Hence my surprise in the levels of support for SNP from Celtic fans. The opinions of people such as William 'Billy' Wolfe and Mhairi Black seem attracted to the party that created the Offensive Behaviour at Football bill. If people are attracted by the left-wing, socially just SNP with their pledges to cut corporation tax then fair play to them.
     
  9. Markybhoy

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    I think there's probably four or five factors in play here.


    1. Liebour are still seen as the only party who can defeat the Tories at Westminster. The Tories are reviled up here.
    2. A misguided belief that the Liebour is still Labour
    3. Lazy thinking. The "my dad voted Labour and his dad before him so I will too" disease
    4. People being against Independence. The Liebour Party are the main opposition to the SNP.
    5. People genuinely thinking Liebour have good policies.

    1 I can sort of understand, 4 disappoints me and 5 I can live with. It's 2 and 3 that really bother me. The Labour Party is stone dead. It died the moment Tony Blair and Gordon Brown got their hands on it. It flabbergasts me how some people are still going along under the illusion that the current Liebour Party is the same as the old Labour Party. They wear the same colour of rosettes and that's just about where the similarities end. Liebour are a * paper away from being the Tories and yet some people in Scotland continue to vote Liebour largely because they hate the Tories. It's actually quite bizarre.

    As for reason 3, I live in hope that the sheep who vote Liebour just because their ancestors did will one day gain the power of independent thought and maybe dig a little deeper before casting their vote. Years ago I was discussing politics with one of my best mates in the pub and he was a sheep. From Glasgow, voted Labour, always had - always would. Because his faither did. He now votes SNP and voted Yes in the referendum. He broke the chain. May there be many more like him.
     
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    Many Glaswegians are, but an awful lot aren't as well. It's sometimes made out as if the city of Glasgow is a throwback to the depression era where kids were running around the street with no shoes on and suchlike.

    That certainly is not the case. It's a thriving economic powerhouse within the UK, and there are a lot of wealthy and middle-class people living in the city.

    I'd wager that there are more people who can spend over £150 for a Saturday night meal in town than there are use foodbanks. It's just that the foodbank use is highlighted more.

    Didn't I also see many people in the run up to the referendum go to great pains to put over the idea that the independence referendum wasn't about the SNP? That a person could vote yes without supporting the SNP or Alex Salmond?

    If that was the case, then why now can't a person who voted yes still back the Labour party? Or is it now the case that anyone who voted yes in the referendum has to vote SNP, Green or some tin-pot fringe Socialist party?

    Or, it's because they like what the Labour party stands for and they agree with their policies?

    Are we going to use the same line of thinking as we did after the referendum? That democracy is great, but anyone who doesn't agree with me is a * moron?

    For the record, I'll be voting for no one. I really couldn't care less which of the parties is in power the day after the election.
     
  11. CelticFC1967

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    Spot on, particularly the comment about folk being able to vote Yes and not support SNP. The whole referendum one of the main lines spun by the Yes campaign was that it was not about party-politics. Having been adamantly No for a long time I did eventually vote yes but I cannot stand the SNP and I will never vote for them in my life. It genuinely baffles me that so many people believe that the SNP are left-wing and it genuinely baffles me so many Celtic fans are willing to vote for them. I have no problem with people doing so but it does not mean I am not baffled by it.
     
  12. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Don't mix up Mhairi black, who I am less than impressed with and Wolfe. She has shown a tremendous failing in judgement but I don't believe she should be tarred with the same brush as that *.
    The SNP are not "anti" any religion :50:
     
  13. Dáibhí

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    Some would argue that the football bill suggests otherwise.
     
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    I do agree about Black and Wolfe not being as bad. My point is that people are pointing out Labour's previous for standing with the orange order etc - the SNP are not exactly innocent either.
     
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    If we had gained Independence, then I more than likely wouldn't have voted SNP when the time of a GE come around. However, for the time being, I see it as being a vote for the greater good. If we ever hope to achieve an Independent Scotland, then in my opinion, the SNP are the only party capable of potentially delivering it. I wouldn't be voting for Labour or the Tories, and for me, right now, a vote for the Greens or the Scottish Socialist Party is almost a wasted vote.
     
  16. Dáibhí

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    I remember saying a while back that defeat in the independence referendum would actually be the best result for the SNP as a political entity, and this kind of thinking suggests I was correct.

    With failure in the referendum we now have a shitload of people who would never usually vote SNP handing them their vote for the "greater good". Much in the same way as those so-called numpties and uneducated types are handing Labour their vote for the "greater good" in the hope of not getting a 'Tory Government.

    Both sets of people could disagree with SNP & Labour policy, but they'll vote for them anyway as they see it being for the "greater good". The only difference between those people is the "greater good" they speak of. It's either a possible new referendum somewhere in the mists of time down the line, or an attempt to block the Tories.

    Much like the Labour party have coasted in Scotland for years on their "vote for us, keep the Tories out" line, we're seeing the SNP, albeit a bit more quietly, go down the route of "vote for us, a vote for Labour is a vote for the Union".

    It's all pish, and as usual the ordinary Joe is being played like a fiddle by these career-politicians.

    I love how people throw tags like that at the likes of Jim Murphy, all the while believing that the likes of Salmond and Sturgeon are in this for the good of the people.

    The whole things a farce.
     
  17. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    A * piece of legislation does not make a party anti religious, something I know you are well aware of.

    I would hope to never see the SNP stand with the OO or NF, if I do that will be the day I leave the party.

    As Murphy88 says, the SNP are the only party that can deliver on Independence ,imo, that is why I will vote for them until that happens. After that we can all follow our "normal" political beliefs.
     
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    To be fair, at this moment in time, the SNP are arguably the best of a bad bunch anyway. If we ever hope to achieve another referendum, then for me, you have to vote SNP just now. Do you ever see another referendum coming around, from another party other than the SNP? I'm not being "played" whatsoever. I really don't see much of a point in voting for any other party at the moment.
     
  19. Dáibhí

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    Some of the more vocal supporters of the legislation within the the party certainly came across as anti-Catholic in some of the things they said.

    Here's an idea. Don't vote for any of them.

    By voting you are only legitimising them. Why not look at all of the parties and if none of them appeal simply refuse to vote?

    If everyone who is disenfranchised by what's on offer refused to settle for "the best of a bad bunch" we'd maybe see our political parties and system change.

    I see people every day who refuse to settle for anything other than exactly what they want in other aspects of their lives, be it the car they drive, the clothes they wear, the food they eat and so on. You wouldn't settle for "the best of a * bunch" in any other aspect of your life, so why politics?
     
  20. murphy88

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    Because I genuinely believe that the best of that bad bunch I'm speaking about, can bring around another referendum in the future. Something which I'm sure the majority of "yes" voters would welcome. No?