Liquid Nitrogen cocktails

To be honest I have no interest in science and dont know what it is, I remember now but if I was in somewhere where they were putting it in drinks I wouldnt think twice about drinking it.

 

The bar won't get * over for it, there is no laws to state that they can't use the stuff, bars all over the UK already use it, and continue to use it untill this becomes the case.

It's easy for folk to say she was stupid for drinking it, but in her position I would have probably done the same, on my 18th I drank some drinks that were bought for me which I had no clue what was in them. Looking back now, it was stupid, knowing how dangerous some of the drinks can be, but at the time you don't really think about it.

She maybe didn't know what Liquid Nitrogen was either, probably just assumed the fact it was being served in a bar meant it was safe to drink

 

Exactly.
I doubt very much the girl requested a drink that would have any kind of risk factor attached.....or so she thought.I would guess the drink was on some cocktail menu and seemed exciting for a bunch of 18yearolds.

I think if any food or drink establishment is offering ANY product for sale, there is a normal assumption that it is safe to consume that product.

Her life has been ruined, regardless of who is to blame, and that is tragic.

 

Someone probably asked her if she wanted a "pornstar martini".
To an 18 year old female, this probably sounds incredible.

Poor girl.

 

Just wondering, if a 18 year old guy did this would people call him an idiot?

If what has been suggested on here previously, that the bar warned customers of the dangers of such a drink then it is upto the customer to take that risk. If she asked for the drink then she has accepted that it is dangerous and it is her responsibility to drink responsibly. If she ordered the drink, nobody made her and nobody made her drink it either. I find it odd that people think she is blameless.

Bars shouldn't be playing with such chemicals and they are idiots for doing so. So much for bars also promoting responsible drinking.

 

Make your mind up mate.First you say she isnt blameless, and then you condemn the bar for selling the drink in the first place.

I think she is blameless.Did the bar warn her it was so dangerous that she may lose her life, or her stomach?I doubt it very much.They may have had some crappy disclaimer, but i would be surprised if there was any knowledge by either the staff or the owners of any such similar incident happening before, or they would not be selling the drink.

By the way, in my own posts, i have never at any time blamed anyone from the bar.I think it was one of those things that jsut happened to have had tragic consequences.If it wasnt her, it would be someone else down the line.

PS.To answer your initial question......no, i would feel exactly the same.

 

I have said all the while that both are to blame.

 

Fair enough.



I think she is blameless.

If she had taken a mild illegal drug that was tampered with, people would be attaching less blame to her.She was is a public bar buying a drink off the menu, which had a reaction that no one seemed able to predict!How can she be blamed?

 

Im not debating over the unpredictable nature of the chemical. I am saying that she has to be held accountable for drinking it, nobody forced her. All our actions have a consequnce and unfortunately it cost her, her stomach.

This will turn into a never ending debate, it just depends on the individual. Some people will agree that both are to blame and some people will agree that the bar are solely to blame and the others opinion is always going to be wrong.

 

I'm a 32 year old bloke, good job, good education etc, and if I walked into a bar at the weekend and there was a cocktail on their menu I'd assume as it was on the menu it was safe to drink, this wee lassie IMO has done nothing wrong.

 

i'm quite interested in science and academia as a whole so i know what liquid nitrogen is and would never order a drink with it in but my sister is 18, just a couple of years younger than me, but because she has very different interests to me i think she would assume that since it is being sold by the bar that it is safe and that is an assumption i think many people would make. its actually quite scary

 

Just because it is there and is on the menu does not mean people shouldn't figure things out for themselves. Our government allows food producers to use E102 in our foods but I won't eat anything with that poisonous * in it. Many European countries have banned the use of E102 and I know a few people who take severe allergic reactions to it but because our government allows it then it must be OK. People have to learn to think for themselves. Be it on your head what reaction you get from what you put in your mouth.

 

Would have to agree with this, health and safety should come down on this bar like a storm. Anything you see on a menu in a bar or restaurant should be safe to drink or eat, if it's dangerous to human lives then it should not be sold.

 

End of the day the bar shouldn't be selling something like that.

I can understand getting pished and saying * it, gives that mental drink. Infact I've done stuff like that before.

 

Blame completely lies with the bar that sold it.

As dev says most of us have been in a bar * smashed ordering crazy drinks you see menu.

 

But all alcoholic drinks are dangerous to human beings in specific quantities though, there is a stark hypocrisy here.

I am not saying the bar is free of blame, for me its 50/50. Yet when a customer agrees and purchases a drink the onus is on that individual to either drink it or not, the consequences that come next are because the individual is either a) intoxicated (which can kill in itself) or b) ridiculously stupid to try a drink like that, anyone who has been to school, even if they left at 16 will know what liquid nitrogen is.

 

Not true mate. The duty of care is with the purveyor of alcohol. In the same way that it is illegal to sell alcohol to someone who is drunk, it is also a duty to ensure that anything you sell for human consumption, is fit for purpose. The bar is ENTIRELY at fault for this girls condition because it is selling an item it claims to be safe to drink, when, in fact, it is exceptionally dangerous and potentially fatal to drink.

 

Sounds to me like the bar owners haven't went to school then.

There are certain things that shouldn't be sold to be imbibed; if it's on sale you should assume it is relatively safe to drink; that isn't hypocrisy that should be a fact of life. If I go in and order a Jack Daniels and Coke I wouldn't be in danger of losing my stomach.

If I went into a bar and somebody said to me this drinks got liquid nitrogen in it but it's all right it's just like ordering a Jack and Coke (it's on the menu, it should be safe) I'd probably give it a try (before this story came out) just for the craic and to see what it's like. Sure it's a bit mental but you'd assume it's safe.

It's like when you go to Tingle in the town and order the weirdest * shots known to man; that taste like * but it's just for the craic. Otherwise why would you drink a shot with Tabasco sauce in it that tastes like heartburn....

 

Couldn't agree more and the same point I've been making in here since yesterday but no doubt it'll still go back to being the girls fault somehow.

 

The girl certainly isn't blameless. Perhaps public awareness is low on liquid nitrogen, however if a cocktail was set alight and given to you, you wouldnt drink it as it was alight surely.