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  1. Random Review

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    That's a big one I think. The one time we played Gerrard"s team with an aggressive high press, they could not cope with it.
     
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  2. Dublin Celt

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    Was always a fan of 4231 but it seems we have become too predictable and too many times edouard and the wingers are too isolated. I think the 4231 still has a place in a European tie/certain domestic away games etc but mainly domestically I think we need to go with two strikers. I'd like us to to try 4-2-2-2. With the lb and RB offering support up the wings.
    .....................Forster..........
    Frimpong ajer jullien boli
    ..McGregor brown....
    Christie elyounnasi
    Edoaurd .. Griff/(big money striker)

    We have really struggled to keep the ball against their press and I feel that our players seemed way to far and isolated from each other in attack. In the final I put it a small bit down to the conditions but

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  3. dmac

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    One thing I see week after week is the wide players coming in side to narrow the midfield but it leaves space for the opposition full backs to get forward which causes problems for our fullback who is left isolated
     
  4. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Our natural game which we play every week is we play creative football through the middle, we break down everyone we play domestically by combining around the centre of the pitch. Edouard comes deep to start moves, wide players like Elyounoussi, Johnston, Christie come through the middle and we usually have a Ntcham or Christie in there and we attempt to have runners getting into the box through the centre for through balls.

    Every week we play like that and it works against everyone as they all sit back against us and allow us to do it all day. Nobody is a threat to us attacking either as they don't get up the park against us.

    When we play the huns they block us from playing through the middle, they can afford to as they know we arent a threat with crosses or long balls if we had Dembele up front we could feed him from distance but Edouard is more a playmaker and dribbler than a battering ram.

    When we play the huns the huns actually have it easier against us than they do against other teams. Their style of play is like old fashioned crossing football, they don't really play with creativity and they don't play through the middle of teams they play down the wide areas and they get their full-backs forward and they cross into the box all day from every everywhere, Tavernier and Barisic will put in Lee Naylor like crosses from 45 yards down the wing and then they play off that. Either they score from crosses as Morelos is good at getting on them or they pressure teams that much from pinning them back and putting balls in they eventually score. So when they play us they have less men in defence than they usually do we also play 2 attacking wingers so they pick balls up outside the box easier as well as they are used to two banks of 5. They also along with Aberdeen are probably the only 2 good teams in the League from set pieces as they both have 3 threats Morelos, Goldson and Katic or Cosgrove, Considine and McKenna we only really have 1 Jullien as Elhamed and Bitton or 2nd and 3rd best players in the air haven't been playing and even then only 2 are likely to play.

    We play into their hands and they play into our weaknesses just from how both teams normally play every week. Although they do tactically adjust to outnumber us in the middle to win the balls headed out our box and they also adjust to fall into more of a 4-4-2 style to prevent us coming through the middle which they dont really need to do against other teams.
     
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  5. scootz

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    What's happened to the high-energy pressing-game that served us so well at the start of the season? We were blowing teams away with it!

    Is it weariness... or complacency... or neither... or both?

    Surely the players haven't succumbed to a mindset where they think that they just need to turn-up to win domestic fitba matches? That'll work against most of the SPL dross, but not against this Sevco team.
     
  6. G_portillo

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    I think the answer is to play with two up top with a striker with pace who will play off the shoulder of the last man and stretch the game. We really struggle to get out dangerous players turned on the ball in positions where they can hurt them. As good as Edouard is, i think his instinct is to come in to the 10 position to receive the ball where as he could benefit from knock downs from a physical type striker or making supporting runs to a pacey type.

    I would look to add physicality in the middle of the park, ideally Wanyama who will dominate as we have been badly out fought in there.
    These games are always won and lost in the middle of the park.
     
  7. Blochairnbhoy

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    sacrifice the wide men and go for the battle in middle of park.

    Forster

    Frimpong Jullien Ajer Taylor

    Ntcham Brown McGregor

    Christie

    Edouard ????
     
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  8. oh bhoy

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    Best football we played last season was with McGregor Christie and rogic in midfield ,can't understand why this is ignored or forgotten don't even know if it would work this season with hoofing the ball out of defence .brown has been good this year and perhaps that due to the fact that we are involved in more midfield battles due to the poor ball retention .got to start playing to our strengths instead of worrying about others
     
  9. Valhalla Thus spoke Batistuta.

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    Play McGregor as the deepest midfielder which allows our midfield to play far higher as he’s got the legs to cover the ground quickly.

    On the ball he can distribute quickly not allowing the opposition to settle and pen them in similar to how Davis done against us yesterday.

    Defensively it allows us to press higher up the pitch and put teams on the back foot and McGregor sweeping up in the opposition half and keeping the pressure on by getting it forward again immediately.

    McGregor
    New CM/Ntcham Christie
    Would by a box to box midfielder and line up similar to how we lined up last season when we played our best football and tore teams apart.
     
  10. joemc

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    Think if we continually tell the team they are metaly tired they start to become so , yesterday was more down to sheer hunger to win .
    It's been mentioned somewhere else in here , all our interviews are about continually asking them to perform , their giving manager everything , need to see out this last game and rest , all soundbites that suggest they cant keep doing this ,eventually the tide will turn , hunger to continually win is the overriding factor .
    Rangers lost the ball and basically sat with 2 banks of 4 and compressed the space we had to play in , it was difficult to break through , it didnt help that our wingers were poor on the day tbh , but everytime we made passes they rushed the area and swamped our player in the ball so he couldn't use any technical play to break through .
    Another thing I noticed is the made edouard play in areas that didnt suit his game and made him ineffective.
    We didnt have their energy or desire to win the battle and wen we were on the ball we tried to slow play and build our game but got swamped by their press .
    Only way we could combat this was play on the shoulder go route 1 and try to win the second ball .
     
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  11. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Our wingers weren't just poor as they had bad games though, it's because they play a certain way every week. Pick up the ball have options inside or can run inside play 1-2s etc

    Against the huns they closed off the middle of the park completely and meant our wingers could only really go up and down the wing, any time they tried to come inside they were ushered off the ball by the number of centre-mids the huns had in there.Going down the wing isn't really the style of our team, our wide players like to come inside and run across the edge of the box or play 1-2s at the corner come central and make runs in behind.Going down the sides and crossing is something we are useless at and rarely do and when we do it's usually a full-back who is trying to make a cut back or put a ball in but we pretty much never score from them, we score the majority of our goals through the middle with runners going through defences.

    Their tactics make us too one dimensional as we don't have the ability to use a long ball or a target man and our players normally are too used to playing through the middle of the park.
     
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  12. rudebhoy67 Gold Member Gold Member

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    We've been playing the 4-2-3-1 since Ronny arrived, maybe time to freshen that up a bit.
    Teams are getting wise to it a bit now.

    I remember Martins 3-5-2 running into a bit of bother when the jakey arrived and started going 4-3-3 against it. Didn't take long for us to start going 4-4-2 against them and the balance swung back to the point we whitewashed them.

    I'd like to see us go 4-4-2 again. A penalty box poacher up beside eddy with the 4 in midfield varied depending on the opposition. 2 wingers for teams that are going to pack the defence? A diamond with width from the full backs for teams that are going to pack the midfield. Even 3 centre mids with one winger switching wings through the game.
     
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    Think a 4-3-3 would work , wa Brown sitting got to start pushing McGregor up along wa Christie
     
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    Forster

    El Hamed
    Ajer
    Julien
    Hayes/Taylor

    McGregor
    Brown
    Christie

    Frimpong/Elyounoussi
    Striker
    Eddy
     
  15. FranceCelt

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    We need to be able to change it up instead of playing passes about in front of the opposition. Too many times over the last few seasons we've struggled to break teams down who sit in, and we also struggle to pass through teams who high press us. We need plan B where we can play it up to the striker and support him with another striker and/or midfield runners. just the switching it up alone would make it harder for teams to play against us as it wouldn't be so predictable. In fact looking back over recent seasons, most of our goals against Sevco have come as a result of us pressing them then breaking at speed, not from passing the ball side to side and trying to create an opening.
     
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    Spot on. No one ever seems to attack a ball fizzed across the box - everyone is always waiting for the cutback. We need to relearn how to score the scrappy goals.
     
  17. ThatBhoyLarsson

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    We need to press them like *, the few times we did it we hurt them, that * Jack made two mistakes, there was obviously more but thats the two big ones I remember, we were two passive yesterday. I would play 3 in the middle of the park with Broony sitting...
     
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  18. MagicBallBhoy Gold Member Gold Member

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    Wow this thread tells you what we all know we’ve had similar problems for over a year now

    You need to be good and be able to instill a lot of confidence in your players if we are gonna technically play around their walls OR you change tactics play 3 midfielders against their three and make it a battle

    Depressing so it is how we’ve really not solved how to play them in over a year, real depressing warning signs now especially after lc final luck
     
  19. G_portillo

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    if we failed to win the physical battle with Brown there, how can we do that with Mcgregor?
     
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  20. celtic warrior

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    With proper wingers who can connect and build a fluid partnership with the striker, 4-2-3-1 still has it uses.

    However, it needs wingers to be consistent and stay at a level like Sinclair and Dembele were, they were at their peak * devastating.

    However the formation doesn't have to state outright that it's a two up top if we are change tact, but the biggest crime this decade for Celtic? Not getting to see Mouddie Dembouard in full swing.

    I guess there is an argument then, providing we get the right defensive players in for a 3-5-2 maybe.