Vegans and vegetarians

Maybe the only meat Veggies get,is up their *!

 

Just read the most idiotic thing I've seen in a while.

"Suppose there are only two people in the US: one regular meat-eater who eats 100 animals each year and one vegetarian who eats no animals. A reasonable conclusion is that the vegetarian saves 100 animals per year."

A reasonable conclusion?

Do they actually believe that they save animals when they don't eat meat? Guess what veggies... The animal still gets killed and someone else eats it. FFS.

I have nothing against vegetarians or vegans that choose that lifestyle. But don't talk utter * and spout it across the internet or social media.

 

In not a veggie but I respect the idea. Given the way we produce most meat I also think it is a pretty sensible lifestyle choice.

 

Don't know about sensible. But I respect it for the same reason as you. I also respect people that hunt their own meat.

 

The argument of "Someone else eats it", isn't the right one IMO.

A million people in a nation of 5 million, for whatever reason, decided to stop eating meat = Less meat consumed than previous. There isn't a million folk around for 'someone else to eat it'.

In the short term there would be no 'saving'. Meat would go to waste, animals slaughtered at usual rates until the suppliers worked out the new demand numbers.

But long term once the supermarkets, farmers, butchers sorted out the supply and demand we would just see less breeding.

So rather than 'saving' it would be breeding and killing less, in turn less animals die but less animals live. Is that really saving?

That vegan ideology is more suited to the game or fishing (non-farmed) industries, in which it's 100% correct. Finning in particular, shark stocks would rise hugely if Asia, and the world, stopped the cruel demand for shark fin soup.

 

But it would have to be huge numbers like that to make a difference. A million people suddenly changing their ways. Maybe not as many as a million, but a lot.

It's this narcissistic attitude that some people have, more extreme vegans than your standard vegetarian, that they themselves are saving multiple animals because they chose not to eat meat anymore. It's madness. It's attention seeking.

Not sure what you mean by saying it's more suited to game or fishing. Because they are not out shooting or fishing?

 

To make a difference to the industry, yes.

One person is an insignificant difference, but combined they are the huge movement that we see today. As with carbon footprints, every single person can make a difference when consolidated with others efforts.

In the sense that if we stopped commercial fishing/game hunting we would see fish/game stocks rise dramatically, thus 'saving' life's, as your vego in the OP alludes to.

And as I said, life's aren't really being saved if half the world became vegan, we just wouldn't see half the farmed animals bred and slaughtered. You can't save what was never born.

I'm not saying I'm against fishing/game hunting, I'm not.

I'm saying that that's the only way the 'saving lifes' vegan chat is, in essence, true. Wild animals can be saved, whilst farmed really can't as in the long term breeding would just be reduced to match supply and demand.

 

The industry is disgusting and one vegan trying to make changes to stop the way things are done is commendable, but not claiming they are the savoir to hundreds of animals as they sit writing their blog or posting on instagram.

I think anyone who's against fishing or game hunting for food is daft. Humans have done it since the beginning of time. As long as the kill is done properly and every part of the animal is utilised. Numbers of some animals needs to be controlled at times, so doing it all properly and wasting nothing is important. I don't think vegans can argue with that just because it's upsetting seeing a living thing die.

 

why not sensible?

 

It's a healthier diet. I'm a vegan in principle, but it's difficult to completely avoid animal ingredients in our culture. I started to go more towards vegetarian in middle age. Meat takes a lot of energy to digest. Easier for younger bodies than older. There is also the potential link between red meat and cancer, sugar and cancer, alcohol and cancer, all of which has more to do with over consuming probably than in consuming in the first place. I just find that eating moderately of a plant-based diet leaves me with more energy and a less fouled digestive track.

 

I think it is perfectly sensible given the amount of crap pumped into meat products. Most people (myself included) are extremely lazy regarding what we put in our bodies through food. And meat products are typically the worst offenders as regards adding a whole lot of crap that shouldnt be in there.

If I had more discipline and didn't love meat as much as I do, I would be a veggie.

 

But it doesn't mean meat eaters are not sensible. Especially if it's properly sourced.

 

Used to be Vegan, now a Paleo after researching * up.

 

It's not just food, they won't use any animal based product: wool, leather, makeup, perfume, clothes, furniture, medicines...

 

Thought that might be the case lol.
I actually sometimes think, they quite enjoy people getting things wrong about it - so they can act all high & mighty.
I'm sure she's not like that, but my sister is!!

Did you get her a Bambi skin handbag, or perfume with whale vomit in it?
I know a "Vegan" who has a massive leather sofa & wears leather shoes, occasionally eats chicken etc... but it's pretty hip to be "Vegan".

 

Getting really wound up by a number of Vegans on social media and one I know personally. Sharing facts, pictures, videos, some of which are utter bullshit.

Like one guy claiming that consuming any animal product is exploitation and therefore abuse. Yes, I agree that animals are expoilted and abused in the food industry... but eating eggs from the chicken out the back of the house isn't expoiltatio or abuse. It's possible to eat animal products without the mistreatment of the animals. I'd love to have my own animals to get milk, eggs. I'd love to hunt my own meat and prepare it myself.

He also says if you care about animals then you have an obligation to be vegan. Don't start preaching like that, that's when I stop listening.