Russian plane shot down in Turkish Airspace

And How would Russia level Ankara, the Turkish Military on its own is no pushover, and any attack on Turkey Brings all of NATO into action, Putin is doing the only thing he can do

 

I doubt NATO would go to war with Russia just to protect Turkey, I'd hope not anyway...

What I was getting at was economic sanctions are the least you could expect after an incident like last week.

 

NATO would have to, otherwise Russia/putin would never take them as a credible opposition and he could just do as he wish's. He has already been able to annex part of another country and don't give me the 'ethnic Russian's' as that's just a load of pish.

 

Of course NATO would go to war, they would have to its part of the NATO treaty, not to mention that there are already US Bases in Turkey along with other NATO troops.

Economic sanctions are the only action Putin can take, and even these sanctions will hurt Russia more in the long term.

 

Would there really be an appetite for war to defend a country like Turkey which is an ally in name only?

Crimea is majority Russian and majority Russian speaking (same goes for the Donbass) the only reason it was ever part of an independent Ukraine is because Khrushchev gave it to their SSR as a 'gift' :smiley-laughing002: basically a technicality.

 

Biggie's answer is pretty much what I would have typed. Its what a treaty is for.

Ah yes 'a gift' very good, there was a German who started out reunifying his people as well. However much like vlad he didn't actually give a * about the people, just the power.

 

If Putin attacks Poland then I'll agree with you :smiley-laughing002:

There's nothing wrong with incorporating people who want to be in your country, into your country...

 

Not necessarily. Did the rest of NATO go to war with Argentina when they invaded the Falklands? No.

I understand what you're saying but if it were to come down to it, the NATO treaty wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused Ankara of shooting down a Russian warplane to protect supplies of oil from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group to Turkey.


"We have every reason to think that the decision to shoot down our plane was dictated by the desire to protect the oil supply lines to Turkish territory," Putin said during a news conference on Monday on the fringes of UN climate talks near Paris.
"We have received additional information which unfortunately confirms that this oil, produced in areas controlled by [ISIL] and other terrorist organisations, is transported on an industrial scale to Turkey."


Putin's strongly worded statement came hours after Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu again refused to apologise for the downing of the plane near the Syrian border last Tuesday.





Moscow and Ankara have been at loggerheads over last Tuesday's incident when Turkish jets shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian border.
Turkish authorities claim the Russian jet crossed into Turkey's airspace prior to being shot down, while Russian authorities vehemently denying those claims.
Turkey has released a number of recordings which it claims prove that the warplane was warned repeatedly prior to being shot down.


Turkey has been backed by its allies NATO and the United States, with the US state department reiterating on Monday that its data "corroborated" Turkey's version of events.
But Russia has hit back hard, slapping Turkey with a series of sanctions over the weekend - including bans on Turks' labour contract extensions, chartered flights from Russia to Turkey and tourism packages to Turkey.


Despite the sanctions, however, Davutoglu said on Monday that Turkey would not apologise for "protecting its borders".
"No country should ask us to apologise," Davutoglu told reporters following a meeting with NATO's secretary-general at alliance headquarters in Brussels.
"The protection of our land borders, our airspace, is not only a right, it is a duty," he said. "We apologise for committing mistakes, not for doing our duty."
Monday was not the first time that Putin has claimed that Turkey buys oil from ISIL.
Last Thursday, the Russian leader said ere was "no doubt" oil from "terrorist-controlled" territory in Syria was making its way across the border into Turkey - a claim immediately denied by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.



Moscow's surprise intervention in the nearly five-year-old Syrian civil war in September wrong-footed the West and put Turkey, which shares a long border with Syria, directly at odds with Russian support for the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime.
The downing of the Russian warplane has wrecked both Turkish-Russian relations and the French-led diplomatic effort to bring Moscow closer into the fold of nations seeking to destroy ISIL through military action in Syria.
While Russia says it is targeting ISIL, many of its air strikes have been against other Assad opponents, including groups actively supported by Turkey.

 

This is getting more and more worrying.

Why wont NATO just tell the Turks to * apologise?

Either that or expel them.

Is this what NATO wants?

 

Too early to say exactly what's happened but there's been an explosion on the Istanbul subway. 1 dead, 6 injured.

https://www.rt.com/news/324144-istanbul-blast-subway-killed/

 

That's like saying the British Empire wasn't British. I humbly disagree; this has everything to do with the Soviet Union, its legacy, and trying to rebuild Russia as a world power. As much as people say NATO is encircling Russia these countries - Latvia and Poland - have chosen to be part of NATO to defend against Russian expansionism.

 

Oh I think the Poles would be able to defend themselves better than before, although they are worried about putin but they are in NATO so we would need to defend them. Which would be right thing as well, just as we would with Turkey.

No they didn't as Britain acted independently, as they knew they would be able to remove them. The UK also didn't invoke article 6 or 5 I believe and there is something about the location of the falklands.

The NATO treaty has to be observed, I have no idea why you think its worthless nor do I understand anyone who thinks Turkey should be dumped from NATO either being honest. If that was to happen what would be the point in signing treaties in the future ffs.

 

So are we still part of the Roman empire?:smiley-laughing002:

 

The UK didn't invoke article 5 because The Falklands are in South America and are not covered by the treaty

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

Its pretty simple, if Russia attacked turkey NATO would join in on the side of Turkey

 

Soviet Union was an umbrella and the Russian federation was one of the 15 republics of a communist empire. Just because RF was the largest republic doesn't mean the SU was comprised only of RF.

Soviet union was inherently anti-russian, Russian identity and customs were banned.

Poland and Latvia are puppets of nato, the west play on the fears of the Poles and Latvians to goad them into fighting Russia.

 

Lol Poland doesn't need any reason to fear Russia, Russia has a history of invading them, the last time around they teamed up with the Nazis to do and and the Poles were free until 25 years ago

 

https://www.rt.com/news/325169-russian-journalists-turkey-isis-oil/

Turkey detains & deports Russian journalists investigating ISIS oil trade reports

 

It's not going to go away this, is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35087050

 

It's turned into a petty *-for-tat * measuring contest which could turn ugly