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Lorry Crash... Queen St Glasgow

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  1. Moustache

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    It seems like he's pretty much untouchable at this point.

    I genuinely don't understand how anyone could have any sympathy for the guy. He knew fine well there was a chance that he could have another blackout, and how dangerous that was in his line of work, yet he still chose to lie about his medical history.

    Let's not forget about this either:

    At every given opportunity the guy has shown a complete lack of remorse for what he did. He know's how dangerous is it for him to drive, but he clearly doesn't give a *.
     
  2. Cupid Stunt

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    Guy's essentially a murderer and he's a total *. Sums up the justice system that someone like him can get away with what he did. Never got from him that he even gives a * about what happened.
     
  3. CheGuevara

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    The guy is a * for lying on his application but the courts are right in law. A private prosecution was never going to be feasible.

    Once he had blacked out he wasn't capable of driving dangerously. You have to be capable to be able to act criminally.

    What needs to be reviewed is the link between The NHS and the DVLA. If someone is deemed unfit to drive by a gp or a specialist then their licence should be suspended instantly.
     
  4. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    If you know that you are liable to blackout, then you shouldn't be driving and you have a responsibility not to do so, bloke didn't give a *
     
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  5. Twisty Rodgers out !!! Gold Member

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    Image captionMcLaughlin was sentenced at Belfast Crown Court on Monday

    A woman who blacked out while driving and killed a young woman in a car crash has been given 15 months in jail.

    At Belfast Crown Court, Mary McLaughlin, 47, of Dillons Avenue, Newtownabbey, was ordered to serve five months in prison and the rest under supervision.

    The judge said he was giving her a "significant discount" for her medical condition.

    But he added that he did not think she could evade a prison sentence.

    At the end of her trial in May, the jury unanimously convicted McLaughlin of causing the death of Rebecca McManus, 27, a mother of two, by dangerous driving on 7 October 2010.

    They also found her guilty of causing grievous bodily injury to four other people in the car.

    McLaughlin suffered a blackout at the wheel of her car at the M5 roundabout in Newtownabbey and crashed into another car carrying five friends from the nearby Northern Regional College. Rebecca was sitting in the back and was killed instantly. The others suffered serious injuries.

    Witnesses to the fatal crash said McLaughlin was "slumped" behind the wheel with her eyes closed and "drooling". She told both witnesses and police at the scene that she suffered from blackouts.

    It was the Crown case that despite being issued with a three-year licence, McLaughlin "knew very well it was dangerous (for her to drive) and that she carried on regardless of that danger".

    McLaughlin told the court that she "would never" have driven if she did not feel safe to do so.
     
  6. Twisty Rodgers out !!! Gold Member

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    This driver hit two people and parked cars in Tunbridge Wells after blacking out


    By Sian Elvin | Posted: October 21, 2016

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    Rodney Bradbury was jailed for a year and a half at Maidstone Crown Court today


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    A motorist who lost control of his car in Tunbridge Wells after blacking out has been jailed for 18 months.


    Rodney Bradbury was driving a Ford Fiesta along Mount Ephraim when his vehicle left the road and struck two men walking in nearby woodland.

    The 59-year-old was making his way to his home address in Hill View Road, Rusthall, at around 2.15pm on June 27, 2015 when he struck a parked vehicle after overtaking a cyclist.


    The car then travelled through a grassed verge area leading into Tunbridge Wells Common and collided with two men, who were walking along a footpath.

    Read more: Police have revealed details about the Tunbridge Wells dog attack


    One of the men suffered extensive internal injuries, which at the time were described as life threatening. The second victim suffered a broken ankle.

    'Medical episode'
    Bradbury appeared at Maidstone Crown Court today where he pleaded guilty to two charges of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.

    The court heard that on the day of the collision he had previously suffered a medical episode, causing him to black out.

    It was stated that this had happened again at the time of the incident.

    Bradbury was also banned from driving for life.

    Detective Constable Aaron Hammond of Kent Police's serious collision investigation unit said: "Bradbury had suffered a medical episode just one hour before he was involved in this collision.

    "Before he got into his car he should have realised the dangers he may pose to other road users and pedestrians.

    "At all times, it is the responsibility of any motorist to ensure he or she is fit to drive before they get behind the wheel.

    "This collision could easily have had fatal consequences and although the victim who was seriously hurt is continuing to recover well, he still needs regular hospital treatment for his injuries."
     
  7. CheGuevara

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    People will lie to get employment. His ability to get a driving job should have been taken away the moment he was diagnosed.

    The proper procedures in place would have stopped this incident.

    His act in itself - once he blacked out - wasn't criminal. That's the difference.
     
  8. Twisty Rodgers out !!! Gold Member

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    A delivery driver who hid his medical condition from the DVLA and his employer has been jailed for more than three and a half years for causing the death of a 53-year-old man.

    Fred Sygrove, 24 of Amport Close, Lychpit, Basingstoke, hid that he was diabetic and could black out at any time while behind the wheel of his box van, delivering home computers and electrical items.

    On Sunday, November 22 he was starting a 44 month jail sentence after admitting killing cyclist David Badcock by running him down when he collapsed with a hypoglycaemic attack while driving the Currys PC World van.

     
  9. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    You are wrong, getting behind the wheel knowing he could blackout is criminal, as these other incidents that have been posted confirm.
     
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  10. Mr. Slippyfist

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    It must be, considering it's against the law to deceive the DVLA by witholding medical information that could lead to such an event.


    Section 92 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 states: 92(1) An application for the grant of a licence must include a declaration by the applicant, in such form as the Secretary of State may require, stating whether he is suffering or has at any time (or, if a period is prescribed for the purposes of this subsection, has during that period) suffered from any relevant disability or any prospective disability. 92(10) A person who holds a licence authorising him to drive a motor vehicle of any class and who drives a motor vehicle of that class on a road is guilty of an offence if the declaration included in accordance with subsection (1) above in the application on which the licence was granted was one which he knew to be false.
     
  11. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    Still very much in our minds what happened that day.

    I got out of a taxi at the Greggs corner of George Square and me and the wife intended going to the Italian restaurant on the opposite corner (the corner where the lorry hit so many people).

    At the last minute we decided to go to Waxy O'Connors before getting a bite to eat, and crossed before the green man to the side entrance of The Counting House. My wife always waits for the green man, but as no traffic was coming I told her to run over the other side. In hindsight, that possibly saved our lives.

    As we got to the other side of the road, we heard screaming, and thought it was coming from the rides at George Square. A moment later I looked to my right and saw a lorry ploughing through all sorts of things, from people to lamp posts and traffic lights. Hitting cars on the way up to Queen St station and swerving every time it made contact. It was like slow motion, but the sound was like multiple car crashes.

    When it reached where we were stood frozen, I said there was nobody driving the lorry, then as it hit another car a body popped up in the drivers seat and slumped back down, obviously unconscious. It then drove past us and crashed into the wall at the station and hotel.

    I looked down the street and saw people giving CPR and the screams and mayhem were just horrible.

    I'm not sure I'll ever forget that day, and I'm only glad I wasn't 50 yards further down the road where it made full contact with the deceased people.

    Horrible experience, and something that will live with me and the wife for a long time.

    * Bless the families of those who were taken that day.
     
  12. CheGuevara

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    The other ones aren't in Scotland. I assume that explains it.

    The guy's a * and I hope it eats him alive with guilt. He shouldn't have done what he did and 6 people paid the ultimate price for that decision. He should be sued for every penny he has, but I can easily see why it has been turned down.
     
  13. Mr. Slippyfist

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    I'm almost certain the Road Traffic Act 1988 is a UK legislation, and not an English one.


    Section 94 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 states: 94(1) If at any time during the period for which his licence remains in force, a licence holder becomes aware— (a) that he is suffering from a relevant or prospective disability which he has not previously disclosed to the Secretary of State, or (b) that a relevant or prospective disability from which he has at any time suffered (and which has been previously so disclosed) has become more acute since the licence was granted, the licence holder must forthwith notify the Secretary of State in writing of the nature and extent of his disability. 94(3) A person who fails without reasonable excuse to notify the Secretary of State as required by subsection (1) above is guilty of an offence.
     
  14. CheGuevara

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    He's guilty of an offence. Yes. But that isn't the test that is applied for death by dangerous driving.
     
  15. Mr. Slippyfist

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    I remember when you posted your story on here after it happened, still sounds shocking to this day.

    thankfully yous were safe :shamrock:
     
  16. CheGuevara

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    I've heard your account of it before. It sounds horrific. I can't imagine what goes through your head after witnessing something like that.
     
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    The thing is it could easily have been his own family he killed, but his lies and arrogance has taken and ruined th


    He is living with the guilt but at least he still has his family, the families of the victims are left with a life sentence of loss and the pain of losing a loved one in such a brutal manner.
     
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  18. Senna s1979

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    Is he a nonce? They all seem to be untouchable these days.
     
  19. Mr. Slippyfist

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    How more dangerous can you get that driving an (however heavy the vehicle was) in a populated area with an undisclosed condition that could have affected his physical control of any vehicle?
     
  20. Aidan O’Shea

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    Haunting anecdote. Glad ye are both okay.