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Lionel Messi

Discussion in 'World Football' started by Mystic Penguin, Aug 27, 2011.

Discuss Lionel Messi in the World Football area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Liam Scales Gold Member Gold Member

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    The Champions League right now is the pinnacle of football. Unless you think any of the South American, African, Indian, Chinese etc teams could compete in it?

    I would have been very interested if Messi chose Spain over Argentina, I don't think there would be any argument at all in who the best ever is.
     
  2. Mystic Penguin

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    I don't think people are ruling it out mate. I just think people are saying the Champions League is harder to win.
     
  3. Murph-E

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    "Messi is miles better than Ronaldo" is bullshit. They are both miles better than any other player, but to say there is a huge gap between them is purely ridiculous.
     
  4. Liam Scales Gold Member Gold Member

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    Messi is miles better than Ronaldo in every department except scoring goals. Where they are very close to each other.
     
  5. Mystic Penguin

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    If Ronaldo was more intelligent, wasn't wasteful, had a better attitude and if he was more of a team player it would be close.
     
  6. Murph-E

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    An absolute lie. Ronaldo has a great shot, good header, fantastic strength, pace, and stamina. To say that messi is "miles better" than him in all these departments is foolish.
     
  7. 10/4 Kemosabe Gold Member

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    I think the CL is the toughest club competition in the world, no doubt about it. But its not the pinnacle, that will always be the world cup. And it may be harder to win, but that is probably as much to do with the same teams year in year out getting more and more money through it than the rest of the clubs in europe that arent as wealthy.

    And the fact that Messi isnt Spanish is neither here nor there?

    Maradon won the World Cup single handed in 86 despite being in a side of fairly average players.

    Pele never played in Europe because he wasnt allowed to.

    Messi is the best in the world at the moment, just as Zidane and Ronaldhino were a few seasons ago and many before them.

    When his career is over will be the time to tell if he is the best.

    And this isnt a criticism, or a "bashing" before anyone comes back. But we are guilty of sometimes going over the top in praise of people before they are ready. He is only 24 ffs!!
     
  8. ILoveTheCeltic

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    I think the World Cup is still the big competition too as its the hardest to win. One bad game in the knockouts and you could be * plus it only comes around every 4 years so your very lucky if you get to play in 4 of them.
     
  9. Liam Scales Gold Member Gold Member

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    Messi at passing, dribbling, finishing and keeping possesion is miles better than Ronaldo.

    Pace and stamina they're about the same really, Ronaldo's stronger but he doesn't use his strength anywhere near as well as Messi. I've seen him getting muscled off the ball from Shaun Maloney.

    Ronaldo needs a team built around him to be as effective as he can possibly be. Messi doesn't, he has the football intelligence to play in any way that he wants. His role for Argentina proves that, he plays like a Riquelme for them.
     
  10. DannybhoyCFC

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    That's the truth, except being an arrogant tool. Ronaldo wins that.
     
  11. Mystic Penguin

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    Do you think if Barcelona were put in the World Cup they would win it?
     
  12. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Those 'people' are some of the most important people in world football i.e. Wenger, Ferguson, Mourinho. It is almost unquestionably the pinnacle of football.

    You've answered your own query as well with the second paragraph. Barcelona are basically Spain plus the best player in the world and 2 of the best full backs. Except they train and live in each others pockets every day of the domestic season.
     
  13. Sonny7

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    haha ronaldo:56:


    easily messi:49:
     
  14. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Aye because theya re the best team about.
     
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    Whilst the CL is the pinnacle competition in terms of talent the WC is still the most prestigious sports tournament in the world.
     
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    I think anyone who has seen Maradona, Cruyff, Pele play would think that Messi has a little way to go yet.

    Those people you mentioned are club managers who dont like their players playing too much International football either so they arent really good examples. Pinnacle of club football only.

    And to be honest the CL is a little boring these days simply because it is all geared to the wealthy teams. I think the majority of people on here could predict the Q/Fs for this and almost every season. That isnt to denigrate Messi either. Again, just my opinion.
     
  17. Just Kieran Gold Member Gold Member

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    The best player in the world at this moment in time. And the best I've seen in my lifetime.

    Was previously between Zidane and Ronaldinho - but Messi has surpassed them in my opinion. Outstanding player.
     
  18. ILoveTheCeltic

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    Aye I agree, nothing beats a team of your own countrymen proving they are the kings of Football.
     
  19. Mystic Penguin

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    If I could win the World Cup with Ireland or win the Champions League with Celtic. I would want to win the Champions League with Celtic.

    Anyone else share this opinion?
     
  20. Sonny7

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    agree, the world cup will always be the pinnacle of football for me anyway. plus 2-3 matches on a day nearly every day can't beat it. jut wish scotland could make it would be even better:54: