Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by BoliBolingoliMbombo, Sep 30, 2019.
Discuss Greta Thunberg in the TalkCeltic Pub area at TalkCeltic.net.
Bigger than most people know(by all accounts)read somewhere most of the ships are registered in some tax free place,so their noting even paying their way.
No dig at you, but one small edit above may help highlight the problem with some of the critiques against Thunberg.
TL;DR: it seems lazy and/or troubling to call out someone's age, gender or gender expression, race/ethnicity, religion, mental health, disability, etc. If folks don't like what's being said, why not focus on the content/debate rather than the character?
It's tough being young or a woman, and then voicing an opinion -- in this case, the combination of all three qualities seems to have frightened some folks to great extent.
Age doesn't always matter when it comes to grasping technical details or mastery of a subject/art. Here are a few quick examples of people over the last few centuries who've contributed more to the world in their youth than probably most could even dream of in a lifetime (and I certainly volunteer myself for the latter category! ):
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
John Von Neumann
That said, I'm not necessarily comparing Thunberg with the above prodigies, I'm only highlighting that age shouldn't preclude her from having an opinion and sharing it with the world. People from all walks of life and levels of education can show appalling ignorance, brilliance, or anything in between. We can also continue to learn for life and change our minds if we're open to compelling evidence.
Putin nails it.
"When someone uses children and teenagers to promote their own interests it deserves nothing but condemnation" - Putin
At least we can trust a good honest man like Putin over an evil teenage activist.
Who can we trust on matters of climate change, if not a billionaire oil-backed despot?
Aye if you live in the bubble that is Western media.
About 75% of the planet don't see it that way.
Most of Russian oil and Gas is State owned by the way, that wasn't the case when Putin came to power.
But 71% of the planet is wat...
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It’s conveniently ignored. Don’t get me wrong, there is a climate crisis brewing - but it is the wrong people who are being punished.
Is there though?
Climate Science Deniers Planning European Misinformation Campaign, Leaked Documents Reveal
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By Richard Collett-White • Friday, September 6, 2019 - 12:35
A coalition of climate science denial groups is gearing up for a European media blitz later this month, in an apparent bid to derail efforts to set an EU-wide “net zero” emissions target, documents obtained by DeSmog show.
Plans for a self-styled “European Declaration” include press conferences in Brussels, Rome and Oslo and a letter to be sent to leaders of EU and UN institutions, scheduled for mid-September.
The letter claims to have “400 independent Climate Scientists and Professionals” signed up so far.
Some notable signatories are part of a trans-Atlantic network of thinktanks pushing for environmental deregulation post-Brexit, and have a history of climate science denial. A number of former employees of the network’s member organisations are now staffers in Boris Johnson’s cabinet.
Titled ‘There is no climate emergency’, the group’s letter claims that current changes in the climate are “to be expected from the cyclic behaviour of the climate system” and that there is “no proof” that carbon dioxide is a major cause of global warming.
Another of the group’s “urgent messages” is to “strongly oppose” an EU carbon neutrality goal, a policy that was blocked by Poland and three other member states in June and is set to be discussed again at a European Council meeting in October.
Robert Brulle, Professor of Sociology at Drexel University and an expert on climate science denial, told DeSmog the campaign looked like a panicked response to recent high-profile efforts to highlight the climate crisis:
“The rise of the Extinction Rebellion movement, and the immense popularity and influence of Greta Thunberg, are having a significant impact on media coverage of climate change and concern about this issue. I would suspect that the aim of the campaign is to blunt the impact of these climate advocacy efforts.”
“The talking points are stale and patently scientific nonsense. That isn't critical. The point would be to keep the ‘contested’ nature of climate change alive.”
Geoffrey Supran, a Research Associate at Harvard University who gave evidence to the European Parliament in March on oil giant ExxonMobil’s historic promotion of climate science denial, said he thought the move was an attempt to distract from the various upcoming efforts to increase action on climate change globally, such as the UN Climate Action Summit at the end of the month:
“These people are the rhetorical equivalent to the kid in the classroom screaming ‘Look at me! Look at me!’ They're desperate for attention.”
“As always, they presumably hope to muddy the waters of public and political discourse on the climate crisis. To feed the echo chamber of sympathetic right-wing media and blogs, and to prey on naive and unsuspecting journalists who may be tempted to exercise false balance in their climate coverage.”
The campaign is being spearheaded by a new Netherlands-based climate science denial group called the Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL), launched in April with funding from Niek Sandmann, a multimillionaire real estate developer.
The group’s co-founder Guus Berkhout, an engineering professor who began his career at Shell and set up the Delphi Consortium in the 1980s to develop new exploration methods for the oil and gas industry, told DeSmog that interest in the campaign had been “overwhelming”.
Berkhout said there were plans to hold press conferences in European capitals and that the effort was being “expanded to a World Climate Declaration”. He declined to offer further details or comment.
In addition to CLINTEL, the international organising group includes some well-known figures from the climate misinformation world, including:
Professor Richard Lindzen, former Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute (USA)
Viv Forbes, Chairman of the Carbon Sense Coalition (Australia)
Professor Fritz Vahrenholt, Speaker at the European Institute for Climate and Energy (Germany)
Professor Jeffrey Foss, Contributor to the Frontier Centre for Public Policy (Canada)
Jim O’Brien, Chair and Co-founder of the Irish Climate Science Forum (Ireland)
Terence Dunleavy, Founding Chairman of the International Climate Science Coalition (New Zealand)
In an email seen by DeSmog, Berkhout explains that “signatures are being collected from persons who give a valuable contribution to the climate debate and are recognised as such”. He goes on to boast that there are “already a lot of great names on the list”.
Of the 400 signatories, only a handful have a background in climate science, with the majority being writers, engineers and geologists with no direct expertise in the field.
In addition to the Cato Institute's Richard Lindzen, the list features numerous figures from US-based libertarian groups, including Patrick Michaels of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and Charles Battig and Willie Soon from the Heartland Institute, which provides a total of 12 signatures alone. All three organisations are members of the Atlas Network, a Koch-funded international umbrella body of free-market groups.
UK affiliates of the network include the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), the Adam Smith Institute (ASI) and the Taxpayers’ Alliance. A number of former employees of these groups are now working in Boris Johnson’s government.
Taxpayers’ Alliance founder Matthew Elliott is reportedly advising new Chancellor Sajid Javid, whose Conservative leadership campaign he ran, while former employee Chloe Westley has joined Boris Johnson’s Number 10 team. International Trade Secretary Liz Truss has appointed two special advisors from the IEA and ASI.
The UK’s principal climate science denial group, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), founded by former Chancellor Nigel Lawson in the run-up to the 2009 Copenhagen climate summit, is also well-represented in the campaign.
At least four members of its Academic Advisory Council feature in the letter’s signatories, and other contributors to the GWPF have also backed the “declaration”.
One is Northumbria University Professor Valentina Zharkova, who gave a lecture to the group last year claiming that climate change is caused by natural solar cycles. A paper Zharkova co-authored in June on the same subject was criticised for containing “basic errors” and an investigation into how it came to be published was launched by the scientific journal that printed it.
CLINTEL also has close ties to the GWPF. Berkhout wrote an essay for the UK group last year insisting that climate change was purely a natural phenomenon. And in February, the GWPF published an article by its Dutch counterpart that said: “Yes, the Earth is warming up. But that is business as usual. Earth’s history tells us that climate change has always happened.”
The following month GWPF director Benny Peiser spoke at a gathering in Amsterdam where CLINTEL announced its upcoming launch.
At that event, Berkhout admitted: “in this whole audience, apart from the organisation and a few brave ones, I don't see young people. So the first thing we are going to do is talk with the young people.” CLINTEL currently has a youth wing called “Young Clintel”.
The GWPF did not respond to a request for comment.
Other UK signatories include directors and former directors of lesser-known oil and gas companies, as well as five Fellows of the Geological Society, a professional body representing Earth scientists.
In addition to the EU “net zero” emissions target under consideration, planned “climate strike” protests and the upcoming UN Climate Action Summit, the media offensive may also, given its European focus, be timed to coincide with a crunch government meeting in Germany on how the country will meet its 2030 emissions target, set to take place on 20 September.
German signatories to the letter include a spokesperson for the European Institute for Climate and Energy (EIKE), which a Der Spiegel investigation earlier this year found had been working closely with the insurgent, far-right Alternative for Germany party to campaign against action on climate change.
Image credit: European Parliament/Flickr/CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
Aye a real group of credible individuals indeed, I can see how the usual dot joiners swallow their *.
I'm surprised by the hatred this girl generates in people. I get the whole Bono "I'm going to save the world" thing can be annoying especially from someone so young but is she really that bad?! I don't mind her and anyone that annoys * like Piers Morgan is alright by me.
Are you really surprised? Lots of people are of Morgan’s ilk. They really wouldn’t take kindly to getting lecture off a young 16 year old girl
Still laughing at this.
* kids these days. Surviving assassination attempts, trying to save the world. What a bunch of *.
States of these weirdos..
You see it with the football and the indy movement too - any gathering of people, really. Roasters are drawn to cameras like magnets.
All this mob for day's now...seem to be unhinged, deranged, freaks..
I'd say at least 99%..