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Comparing Lisbon Lions 9IAR stats to current possible 9iar stats

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  1. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Not comparing players but JUST the stats between The Lisbon Lions and current possible 9IAR with figures just up to yesterday's League cup final.
    Just between 1965/66 to 1973/74 seasons and 2011/12 season to current season.
     
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  2. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Lions team (Just European matches plus Scottish Cup, Scottish League Cup and League titles.

    Total games Played 520 Won 386 Drawn 78 Lost 56 GF 1421 GA 454 Trophies won 20

    Current Celtic poss 9IAR team

    Total games Played 505 Won 351 Drawn 72 Lost 82 GF 1130 GA 406 Trophies won 17 (possible 3 still to come this season)

    That's with a possible 29 matches still to go this season
     
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  3. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Win ratio in 9IAR seasons - league comp only

    Lions = 74.23%
    Current = 75.31%




    To exceed the Lions 9IAR win ratio the current squad will have to win ALL of the remaining 20 league matches this season
     
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  4. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Win ratio in 9IAR seasons - Scottish Cup comp only

    Lions = 69.81%
    Current = 83.33% (still this season to go)

    Trophies

    Lions = 5
    Current = 4 (Still to play for the Scottish Cup this season)
     
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    Win ratio in 9IAR seasons - Scottish League Cup comp only

    Lions = 77.78%
    Current = 87.10%

    Trophies
    Lions = 5 (IAR)
    Current = 5
     
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  6. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Win ratio in 9IAR seasons - ALL European comps only

    Lions = 60%
    Current = 43.86%


    Trophies
    Lions = 1
    Current = 0

    Even if the current Celtic team win ALL remaining matches in Europa league, and therefore the Europa league, this season they won't exceed Lions win ratio in Europe.
     
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    How many league games in a season, in the '60s?
     
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  8. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    A lot more games in Scottish League Cup in the 60s
     
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    Goal ratio for League, League Cup, Scottish Cup and European comps

    Lions = 2.74 goals a game.
    Current = 2.24 goals a game.
     
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    Nice Stats - thanks for taking the time to put it together and sharing.
     
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  12. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Will be updated after the hun game on 29th.
     
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  13. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Easy to do with Excel spreadsheet.
     
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    Interesting stats there, thanks Drak.

    Would be interested to know, taking the European stats out of the overall figures and simply comparing the domestic records achieved.

    Considering Stein's team made at least the Final 4 of European competition no less than 5 times (1966, '67, '70, '72 & '74) but that they were all straight K/O competitions without league phases and taking into account the exponential centralization, concentration and monopolization of the former G-14 clubs and thier directly associated leagues, which has only further served to secure the interests of the haves at that level, which has only served to change the playing field in their favour, as opposed to the far more level one as evident from the 60's through to the early 90's.

    That is also before taking into account the different levels of athleticism & sports science involved from then to now, the evolution of the rules that govern the game having changed, the stature of the Club as a stand alone entity and as part of a domestic league as a whole, the rise in professionalism, commercialization and globalization in the game and even the most central, obvious and essential focal point of the game itself - the ball itself how it has changed so much from then to now - and the effects all of these things have had in the 50 years between then & now.

    So looking at these stats without taking this into account would be remiss.

    Other interesting stats would be:
    • Number of different players used
    • The percentage of homegrown players (UK & Ire) compared with external recruited
    • The overall for and against in domestic competitions
    • The respective clean sheets
    • The respective records between Celtic v R****** then compared with Celtic v deadco & sevco now.
    There is enough to write a book on all of this, comparing these 2 eras, lol.
     
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    League stats :
    Lions :- Played 306 - Won 235 - Drawn 45 - Lost 26 - GF 868 - GA 258
    Current :- Played 324 - Won 244 - Drawn 48 - Lost 32 - GF 766 - GA 212

    Scottish Cup stats: (Current 1 season less so far)
    Lions :- Played 53 - Won 37 - Drawn 12 - Lost 4 - GF 146 - GA 42
    Current :- Played 36 - Won 30 - Drawn 2 - Lost 4 - GF 107 - GA 24

    Scottish League Cup stats:
    Lions :- Played 99 - Won 77 - Drawn 11 - Lost 11 - GF 285 - GA 101
    Current :- Played 31 - Won 27 - Drawn 0 - Lost 4 - GF 85 - GA 18
     
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    I got lost at monopolization :56::56:
     
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    I am surprised the total number of games then and now is quite similar
     
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  18. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    As for clean sheets.
    Just in league matches for both 9 iar seasons

    Lions - Played 306 - 135 clean sheets = Ratio of 44.12% clean sheets
    Current :- Played 323 - 172 clean sheets = Ratio of 53.25% clean sheets
     
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  19. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    Although there were less league games in the 60s there were more league cup games so evened it out.
     
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  20. Marty McFly Whoa, this is heavy

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    Would the Lions have played in the Glasgow Cup during this time ?

    That's yet more games unless it was reserves?
     
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