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Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Paul67, Dec 17, 2010.

Discuss Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat) in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    It’s not when your talking about Orange * and * *..:giggle1:
     
  2. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    That’s true but the majority of the time, calling someone an orange * is just a hate filled derogatory remark, from the other side. There are better ways to combat hate and intolerance, imo.
     
  3. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    Unless it means keeping your government in power of course. :87:
     
  4. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    I think this kinda sums up a wide ranging term..

    ‘While sectarianism is often labelled as 'religious' and/ or 'political', the reality of a sectarian situation is usually much more complex. In its most basic form sectarianism has been defined as, 'the existence, within a locality, of two or more divided and actively competing communal identities, resulting in a strong sense of dualism which unremittingly transcends commonality, and is both culturally and physically manifest.’
     
  5. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    In my opinion the Orange Order is no more a sect than the KKK or the Westboro Baptist Church. They're all predicated on hate of another group and I'll continue to call them *. I doubt anyone would deem it sectarian when saying that about the other 2.

    As Gyp said I wouldn't agree with calling someone it who is clearly not in the Order. But those that proudly parade down streets, preaching and singing hate, abusing Catholics and places of worship then I don't think it's hate-filled to call them *.
     
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  6. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Still don't think it meets that definition.

    Hating Catholics is not a culture or an identity...however much they would like you to believe that it is.
     
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  7. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    I think you’re missing the definition of Sectarianism tbh mate..
     
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  8. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    It matters not what they believe in tbh. They are a group tho..
     
  9. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    I don't think I am.

    A group of individuals congregating based on their shared hatred of another group doesn't constitute a sect in my opinion.
     
  10. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    By that argument saying KKK *, ISIS *, Westboro Baptist Church * are all sectarian...
     
  11. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    Maybe have to disagree on that one..

    However we use it as derogatory term, towards all things Hun, it may be apt or not it might not even be an insult if they are indeed Orange.. but for me there’s no doubt it’s Sectarian.. no saying don’t use it tho..:giggle1:
     
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  12. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    No mate..
     
  13. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Why not, if it doesn't matter what they believe in and they're groups?
     
  14. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    This bit is crucial for me, when compared to the groups you mentioned..

    ‘the existence, within a locality, of two or more divided and actively competing communal identities, resulting in a strong sense of dualism’

    Anyway that’s my thoughts, it’s more complex.. just because we find them abhorrent doesn’t mean they haven’t been a group in Ireland and Scotland since the 17th century..:50:
     
  15. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    I guess our interpretations are completely different. I just don't recognise Orangeism as a cultural identity. I think doing so legitimises their right to their supremacist ideology.
     
  16. Sean Daleer Free Palestine Gold Member

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    What if it was a Protestant Celtic supporter calling them an orange *? Is it sectarian then? :43:
     
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    Guys hate to break up the party but this would be best discussed in the H,P & R section of the forum. :50:
     
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    i got mates who are masons who are not protestants.. not sure if all lodges are orange. USA may be different but got Hindu friend who is in a lodge.

    On Nov. 26, 1983, with the approval of Pope John Paul II, the Sacred Congregation (whose prefect was Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI) reiterated the ban on Catholics joining the Masons

    Seems odd that a pope would feel it necessary to issue the above if only protestants could join.
     
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    sorry.. didn't see post from Marie until i had replied.
     
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  20. Marie Bookmaker

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    In answer to this....aren't Freemasons and Orange men different?