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Who thinks the main problem isn't the manager or players but too many games?

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by ILoveTheCeltic, May 13, 2019.

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  1. ILoveTheCeltic

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    No they don't, we played 20 games more than Ajax last season, 61 to their 41.

    Their season also finished the 7th of May ours finished on the 19th of May, our first game was on the 10th of July, theirs was the 25th of July.

    Then this season we have had 5 games more than them again.

    So we played 20 more, had a 27 day shorter summer break then played 5 more.
     
  2. Marty McFly Whoa, this is heavy

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    Calum McGregor though, 65 games man

    But he still looks sharp most games I would say.

    Are we just looking for excuses for being * yesterday?
     
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  3. JML67 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Nobody told you mate? It's all Scott Brown's fault.
     
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  4. Devlin

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    I think a lot of it is mental with football players, teams seem to peak then drop of again or come to the end of an era. Genuinly think this is the case with us, a good clear out is needed we seem to just go through the motions at times like robots on auto pilot. Never been a believer it's tiredness we have a big squad to compensate for that, besides the players are young lads at peak fitness couple of hours training and a couple of games a week should be a breeze. Especially with the pay packets and bonuses as an insentive.
     
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  5. King of Kings

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    ‘Professional athlete’ is just someone who gets paid for a sporting endeavour. I can assure you there are ‘* athletes’ up and down the country who will be far, far fitter than the average member of our squad.

    Professional or not, and irrespective of how fit someone is, physical and mental burnout is very real. Playing 60+ games of football in the pace of about 9/10 months is a gruelling schedule. Football at the highest level places certain demands on the body that can’t be measured in terms of distance ran or anything like that. It’s the twists and turns, the sudden changes in pace and direction, jumping/landing etc. The modern game is played at quite a ridiculous pace and there’s not question it will add up over the course of a season, ‘professional athlete’ or not.

    You’re talking about 60 games, travel, training, media/sponsorship obligations etc. I’m not saying these guys have it tough by the standards of most folk across the country, but even a slight drop in your physical condition can be ruthlessly exploited in high level sports. A builder turns up to work with a tight hamstring and he soldiers through the shift maybe going a bit slower than usual. A professional football does the same and he’s usually left chasing shadows before the injury catches up with him forcing him off.
     
  6. CH4 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Well for me players have looked burnt out for weeks but player rotation should be the answer to this
    If you have decent back up then this shouldn't be an issue.

    We depend on the same players far to often while our fringe players don't cut it or can’t cut it ,this comes down to
    Poor recruitment

    Injuries don’t help either.
     
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  7. Spring Time Gold Member Gold Member

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    That’s that theory * then. Mods.
     
  8. Spring Time Gold Member Gold Member

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    The right manager can alleviate the problem.
     
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  9. dmccourt95

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    We play too many games and the schedules created by sfa uefa and Fifa don’t help. You get 3 international breaks one of which usually has friendlies before December and then you have to cram 9 games into 29 days. Then add in UEFA’s awful qualifying meaning we have to play 8 midweeks in a row when we should be in pre season. We haven’t done well enough to reduce the fatigue by having good enough back up players which has led to guys like KT being ran into the ground
     
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  10. Richmal

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    Momentum of a new manager, new players, thats what will lift us, move forward, not back, you have to speculate to accumulate!
     
  11. StPauli1916 Gold Member Gold Member

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    They don't though. They have been playing catchup for most of the season and still haven't clinched the title with 1 week left. That's not a pop at Ajax, however if you are going to stand them up as a comparison you have to get the facts right or it literally means nothing.
     
  12. mickcfc91

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    I was going by those stats. We have two players on that list but so do Ajax and Chelsea.

    Whether we are playing more games or not there are other players out there player more games in more intensive leagues.

    I know what the threads getting at buts its poor management more than anything if you are playing 65 games in a calendar year.
     
  13. JML67 Gold Member Gold Member

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    I think the number of games will mentally fatigue the players more than anything. A lot of them going through the motions in games, losing that hunger to go and attack every single game but ultimately there's no excuse there.

    The extra qualifier is a *, but it is what it is, we just have to manage the situation best as possible and improve the quality of the squad to rotate effectively without sacrificing points.

    We shouldn't have to rely on our top players to beat the likes of St Johnstone, St Mirren, Dundee.. our bench/fringe/youth players should be utilised better. Seems on a few occasions it's been Brown, CalMac, Forrest, Eddie to dig us out of holes time and again.
     
  14. mickcfc91

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    It definitely doesn't excuse yesterday..

    We do play some amount of game's though with little time off. Internationals also..

    It just highlights our * lack of depth though. We should be able to rotate any of our player's but we rely heavily on some, so much so we'll play them through injuries and career threatening one's....rather than stick in some of the * signed that are nowhere near good enough..

    We've probably got about 15/20 first team squad member's that are beyond pish and shouldn't be here..

    De Vries
    Hendry
    Gamboa
    Compper
    Allan
    Bitton

    That are going and completely surplus for me..

    We've got guy's like Benyu and Mulumbu that are pointless and no use..

    We've got first team player's that shouldn't be getting a game like Lustig and Izzy for example..

    So some of these even in desperate time's we won't even have in a match day squad. Other's we fleetingly use but don't trust in the slightest for big game's..

    These are big factors in why our best player's seem to be * and running on empty..

    Mismanagement and overload due to a failure to bring in quality depth..
     
  16. The IRA

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    I believe there is something in the OP.

    The main problem here is CL qualification.

    We have to negotiate 4 ties (or 8 games, if you like) just to get into the groups. 8 * games between mid-July and August. That is a scheduling nightmare.

    It always feels like the first 6 months of our season are always the most intense, culminating in that horrible annual December fixture pile-up.
     
  17. Spring Time Gold Member Gold Member

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    Mikey Johnston olly Burke Tom Rogic Jozo Jonny hayes haven’t played that many games this season.
    Don’t think Ajer has either. They all started.
     
  18. Mince.Charming

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    It won't happen as we expect to win every domestic cup. But I would like to see us use the league cup as a chance for fringe players and youngsters to get a chance.

    We run our players in to the ground. Asking the same players to play nearly 3 times a week for a full season, every season is madness.
     
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    Brown is one guy who we appear to persist with even when he may as well be hobbling on to the pitch with crutches. There’s definitely a regular core of players that we’re very reliant on.

    I’ve noticed that there’s a big gap between our talented youth players and those in the first team. Ideally we would have a number of younger players coming through the ranks that could step in against the lower rankings SPFL and do the business, but it doesn’t seem to be the case.
     
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  20. celtic warrior

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    See that list players playing 65/64 games etc...

    What about minutes, would again be interesting to see the difference in minutes played
     
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