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The Boxing Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Liam Scales, Jul 1, 2011.

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  1. McChiellini..

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  2. Free the Adblock Gold Member Gold Member

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    That fat hun * is a joke. Hypes all his fighters to * when they’re bang average. Big Bakole hurt his shoulder and wanted to retire last night, and he forced him back out.
    This is the same Bakole who Nelson said is 2nd best HW in the world :giggle1:

    Watched an interview with Ritson months ago, talking about his time with Nelson. Guy is a *.
     
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    Can anyone briefly explain how that fight with the undefeated guys came about because I don't ever remember numbers even close to that meeting for the first time. How can two fighters be that good for what must be a decade without this happening at least 5 years ago when they would've still had impressive numbers and at their peak?

    Just sounds like it would've been a pretty big fight then, it's not often two undefeated fighters meet.

    I wonder if Ronaldo is the person with the one technique that beats all the others in UFC. Khabib's is deadly but he needs to get close. A powerful head kick is almost impossible to block and it is the technique that allows the most distance plus after years of training Ronny must have near enough the most precise kick.

    Not suggesting it :56: just thinking how he is almost overqualified for a single sport,
     
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    Met him before and he was actually pretty sound, but he doesnt do himself any favours overhyping his fighters.
     
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  7. Free the Adblock Gold Member Gold Member

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    Hearn gets his star then. Signing Canelo is * massive for his DAZN.
    Love him or hate him, he’s the best promoter in the world.
     
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    The thing is he is still with golden boy not matchroom. I'm not sure how big a signing this is yet. Any fighter could potentially sign a side deal.
     
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    Yeah and Oscar says he’s not open to co-promoting. It’s still big for DAZN though, their subscriptions will go through the roof after this and if other boxers see it’s good enough for Canelo, the biggest name in boxing, then I can’t see why more huge names won’t join them too.
     
  10. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I'm ambivalent to Hearn but that's a bold statement.

    Bob Arum looks after Pacman, Lomachenko and Terence Crawford. Hearn doesn't have that talent with AJ, Brook and Bellew.
     
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    But look what he’s done with Bellew, Brook, Fielding and the likes. He takes absolutely bang average fighters and gets them title shots, keeps them active and makes them * loads of money. He’s got so many fighters earning way more than they’re worth.
    If I was a boxer i know who I’d be signing with. They don’t say earn with Hearn for no reason :giggle1:
     
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  12. ourdaywillcome! Gold Member Gold Member

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    Spot on, when you say "Best promoter" it's not about the stable, it's about working with what stable you have and maximising their and your earnings.

    Terrence Crawford isn't even a PPV fighter yet, reading an article the other day about how Arum plans to have him there by next year. Lomachenko in a huge fight with Rigondeaux earning just over a mil US, while Belew is splitting a seven million pound purse.

    Sure Arum does the business as well, but Hearn has done an incredible job.
     
  13. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Brook and Bellew aren’t bang average they just aren’t world class because he’s operating at a level below the top.

    If you’re gauging best promoter purely on getting his fighters in the ring with better fighters then aye he’s up there.

    It’s not about the stable :56:

    That’s the equivalent of saying the best football manager is the one paying over the odds for mediocre talent.

    Of course the stable is important, it shows who you are inviting to the party.
     
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    Nah, your fitba analogy makes no sense...

    It's like saying the best manager is the manager who gets the best out of "mediocre talent" ie has Belew making more than someone like Lomachenko, Fielding headlining MSG against Canelo.

    Joshua selling out football stadiums, Belew raking it in, Fielding vs Canelo, Katie Taylor making coin. Bob Arum may have a better stable of boxers, Matchroom has a decent stable considering TopRank is historically one of the biggest, but Hearn is currently doing a better job of promoting what he has to work with. He has been relentless over the past few years.

     
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  15. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    He doesn’t make the fighters better, he isn’t a trainer or coach. He gets them better and bigger fights, one aspect of a good promoter definitely but that has to have a knock on effect in bringing in better fighters. It definitely can’t be said that it’s not about the stable, ultimately that’s exactly the thing the Promoter is trying to improve.

    AJ is his cash cow and he’s done well to gain momentum off the back of him.
     
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    You know that's not what I meant, like saying a football agent that gets mediocre talent unbelievable contracts is a better football agent, than a football agent that gets top players top contacts.

    Which it has though Vargas, Danny Jacobs, Khan, Chisora all must have signed in the last year, Povetkin and Ortiz about to be signed. It's definitely growing and gaining a bigger influence in the boxing world.

    We aren't talking Loma/Pac, but that's precisely the point. He's getting some of these guys pay days above their pay bracket.

    This is a promotion that only really properly ventured into boxing in the 90's, Arum has been been involved in boxing promoting since the 60's, with Ali and co, in the fight capital of the world. I'd expect him to have a better stable than a British based Hearn.

    IMO, Hearn is promoting, in the literal sense, his fighters better than anyone else right now and over the past couple of years.
     
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    If you were a boxer you’d be mad not to sign with Hearn. He’ll make you the most money, build your profile better than anyone else and get you title shots quicker.
    For that reason, he’s the best at his job, imo.
     
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    I’m sure Crawford was making noises about chucking it due to not getting the big fights, which would be a real shame as he is a top class boxer. His fight on Saturday night against Benavidez was a great performance.
     
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    Really don't get it man, the US promoters just cant seem to get the public behind their fighters. Seems like even Wilder doesn't, or hadn't attracted much attention until the last 6 odd months or something.

    Boxing in the US seems to be at a low to me, meanwhile UK boxing is on the up. Common denominator - Eddie Hearn.
     
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    The Olympics played big role in Boxing coming back to life in UK from Audely Harrision to Amir Khan winning medals the funding of the sport made it mainstream again. In America it went the opposite way for a lots of reasons but bad promotion is one of them, too many old men living in the past. The promotion/media of Boxing is stale as * in America, and it's a shame because Boxers like the Charlo twins would have been big stars back in the day as would Crawford and Spence. Wilder has had a lot of bad luck with fights being pulled and drug cheats, he's also badly promoted but that also due to the politics of rival TV stations and only one real name on his resume.
     
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