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Celtic and Scottish Independence?

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Fanny Chmelar, Aug 14, 2014.

Discuss Celtic and Scottish Independence? in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. shieldsybhoy

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    I agree with a lot of what he says on independence. People forget how anti-catholic the SNP were. And Salmond was around the party during these times.

    And yes, I know independence is not all about the SNP, but they are the majority party.

    An SNP councillor tried to ban all Catholics from the golf club I played at. This was around 2009.

    Disclaimer: apologies for all non-catholic fans on this board. Celtic is a club for all and all of that other good stuff.
     
  2. Mystic Penguin

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    I can see where George Galloway is coming from on this.
     
  3. martin_d

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    I've been saying this exact thing for years! Unfortunately, there's always been a minority of our population who have always been remarkably mercenary and (when it comes to financial risk) definitely v cowardly - so much so that financial prudence is our stereotype the world over; everyone knows a lot of Scots are money-worshipping cheapskates. That's what got us into this unnatural mess of a union in the first place - we virtually bankrupted ourselves (lost a quarter of our national wealth, iirc) in trying and failing to colonise a part of what is now Panama. The English said they'd bail us out if we disestablished our parliament and joined a union with them. We could have said no, faced the meltdown of our financial system, and started again; but, instead of thinking of long-term opportunity coming from short-term pain, we did what Scots historically do, and focused on the short-term loss, rather than acting like a set of grown-ups, taking responsibility for our own failure, making it through the tough times and chasing long-term reform. We chickened-out of change and mooched after the money.


    By the 19th of September, will we have done it again, or will we have finally, as a nation, grasped hold of our true national identity?

    Saor Alba.
     
  4. maggiethatcher

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    To be fair nearly all that wealth belonged to a few individuals who just happened to be Crown commissioners and sat in Parliament. When they got the offer to recoup their money, they sold out their country despite rioting across Scotland. Just imagine a wealthy elite making unpopular and self-serving decisions managing to deny Scotland their sovereignty...
     
  5. Jeannie960 Gold Member Gold Member

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    It's my understanding we were forced into the Union as England shut down our trade routes by telling everyone not to do business with the Scots. This resulted in us becoming bankrupt. They bribed leading Scots of the time to join in a Union. The ordinary people were against this but the deal was done anyway. The English did it because they feared that they might be invaded if enemies used Scotland as a way in. Also the border clans at the time might have been giving them a bit of a problem.
     
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    yeah imagine :rolleyes: history is repeating itself only the peasants are fighting back :icon_mrgreen:
     
  7. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    Near enough don't know if this would be accepted in a history exam :smiley-laughing002:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3HnMLq8m9U
     
  8. martin_d

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    Aye, the English had wanted a union long before the Darien scheme failed, but when it did, and we bankrupted ourselves, they were only too quick to essentially bribe those with influence into giving in to the act of union - not by way of actual personal bribes (as far as I'm aware), but by offering to make up the shortfall in our economy. They were basically able to buy our parliament because of that mercenary, cowardly attitude a poisonous minority of Scots have always had.

    I don't know about the historical accuracy of the claim that England closed down trade routes (though I could believe it), but I know for a fact that we lost a large proportion of our national wealth through the Darien scheme and chasing an empire, prompting England's offer to bail us out. Here's the Wiki article on it: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme"]Darien scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
     
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    * the epl i'm for Indy, Vote Yes
     
  10. Vertie Auld

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    If your reason for voting no is fear of anti-Catholic sentiment, ask yourself what is responsible for anti-Catholic sentiment in this country. Answer: Unionism. Solution: Vote to maintain the Union? Come on. Don't give up democracy out of fear.
     
  11. Vertie Auld

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    It really * * me off actually that people are effectively being held to ransom.
     
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    Really don't get how people can base their vote on their football team.

    Luckily there doesn't seem to be many doing it.

    First thing we should do after a Yes vote is give Edward Snowden asylum and really wind America up.
     
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    Some golf courses ban all women.

    You think women are going to be overrun after a Yes vote?

    Fucksake :smiley-laughing002:
     
  14. MagicBallBhoy Gold Member Gold Member

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    I know your joking but we get independence we certainly don't need to aggravate the yanks after all they don't need much of a reason to fuckup a nation
     
  15. shieldsybhoy

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    Haha, Jesus Christ. You think I'm basing my vote on what almost happened once at my old golf club 5 years ago?

    That's just an example.
     
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    :50:
     
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    * mon then.
     
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    Spot on. Like Turkeys voting for Christmas on the basis that they'd have to live with the farmer if they were spared.
     
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    Well I'm a No man and would quite like it if we had a whole league including Scotland, Wales and England. But yes Celtic joining the BPL would do wonders for the club as a whole.
     
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    It would be another sell out imo

    Celtic are a Glasgow Club, Glasgow...

    EPL has ruined many a club down south and our clubs have struggled due to the SKY money pumped into that league to make it artificially better than what it is.

    Stoke City and many others are boring, we dont need it. 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