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Lorry Crash... Queen St Glasgow

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  1. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    Why don't you want to see him held to account and punished for deaths that he is responsible for.
     
  2. CheGuevara

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    I do. That's why I suggested that the HSAW Act would be a better vehicle. The chances of a conviction would be considerably higher.
     
  3. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    As has been posted on here, drivers who know they have blackouts, who then continue to drive and then kill people, they go to jail
     
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  4. Mr. Slippyfist

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    What more proof do you need? He is guilty of dangerous driving......no....DEATH AND INJURY by dangerous driving - look it up. He was knowingly UNFIT TO DRIVE.

    A lorry driver who falls asleep at the wheel and killing people would face a prison sentence, so should this *.

    it's not the hospitals fault, or the DVLA's fault for not automatically revovoking his license, it states clearly YOU must take responsibility and inform them of any health decisions, therefore YOU are responsible for anything that happens through your actions.
     
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  5. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    Don't know why you keep going on about health and safety and DVLA, just charge him for the unlawful deaths that you have admitted he is responsible for, guilty then jail, case would be over in a week.
     
  6. CheGuevara

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    3 high court judges have just ruled that his case doesn't meet the burden of proof required to secure a conviction. That's the point I'm making. You're arguing a moral case and I'm merely pointing out that, legally speaking, it's a non starter.
     
  7. CheGuevara

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    A conviction under health and safety would be easier to secure and could still result in a jail term
     
  8. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    You would think a severe tanking would be heading his way in the near future.

    By all accounts he is a scumbag.
     
  9. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    How is that justice, can't the families appeal this, they need their day in court, they need to hear the prosecution and defence and for a jury to reach a verdict, we should be on the streets about this, absolutely shocking.
     
  10. CheGuevara

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    It's not justice and the law is an *.
     
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  11. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    The driver of the bin lorry that crashed in Glasgow killing six people has admitted culpable and reckless driving in a separate incident.

    Harry Clarke, 60, had his licence withdrawn for medical reasons in the months following the bin lorry crash on 22 December 2014.

    He pleaded guilty to driving a car nine months later, despite knowing he was unfit to drive.

    Clarke was not prosecuted over the bin lorry crash.

    At Glasgow Sheriff Court on Friday, Clarke admitted driving a car on 20 September 2015 in the knowledge that he had suffered a loss of consciousness while at the wheel of a moving refuse collection vehicle the previous December.

    The charge stated he also knew he had suffered a loss of consciousness or episode of altered awareness while at the wheel of a stationary bus on 7 April 2010.

    He will be sentenced at a later date.

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    Image caption(Clockwise from top left) Jack Sweeney, Lorraine Sweeney, Erin McQuade, Jacqueline Morton, Stephenie Tait and Gillian Ewing were killed in the crash
    Clarke's licence had been revoked for 12 months on 27 June 2015 and the charge stated that he knew or ought to have known that he was unfit to drive, and that there was a risk he might lose consciousness or suffer an episode of altered awareness while driving.

    Procurator fiscal depute Mark Allan told Glasgow Sheriff Court that Clarke's neighbours had seen him in the car park outside his house then saw him get into his white Corsa.

    He said: "After watching for between 30 seconds and two minutes, both witnesses saw the accused enter into the driver's seat, switch on the exterior lights and drive out of the car park onto Buchanan Street."

    He said Clarke returned about two hours later at about 22:15.

    'Back and forward'
    He added: "He went round to either the passenger door or boot and retrieved some carrier bags from the car before leaving the car and walking to his home address."

    Two days later when Clarke was cautioned and charged by police he replied: "I have never been out on a public road. I have just moved the car in the private car park."

    The court was also told Clarke later phoned his insurance company and told them his licence was revoked in June "on medical grounds".

    He told them about the allegation of driving and said "I do move it but it's private property so I just moved it back and forward just to kind of keep the wheels turning a wee bit, I said, but certainly I wasn't out driving in the road."

    In relation to the 2014 bin lorry crash, the Crown Office insisted there was insufficient evidence to raise criminal proceedings against Clarke.

    However, in a rare legal move, relatives of three crash victims sought permission from senior judges to bring charges against him in a private prosecution.

    Despite that, judges at the Appeal Court in Edinburgh ruled in November last year that the family could not launch a private prosecution.

    Jack and Lorraine Sweeney, 68 and 69, and their granddaughter Erin McQuade, 18, Stephenie Tait, 29, Jacqueline Morton, 51, and Gillian Ewing, 52, died in the incident.

    The subsequent fatal accident inquiry heard Clarke had a history of health issues but had not disclosed his medical background to his employers or the DVLA.


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  12. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Scumbag with zero remorse, shouldn't even be showing his face in the city centre never mind driving in it.
     
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    A hope he gets what's coming to him!

    Ad be ragin if I was one of the family's who lost a loved one that day.
     
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    Pie faced fat *.
     
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  15. Mr. Slippyfist

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    * deserves at least slashin.

    Scumbag.
     
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    Moron deserves the chair.
     
  17. pablo88

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    Utter *, hopefully a bit of porridge coming his way and hopefully some retribution dished out.
     
  18. atomicvertigo

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    he is a reprehensible *...how in the name of * he walked away free after mowing down 6 people beggars belief....as someone pointed out if you fall asleep at the wheel and kill someone it's jail...can only think this fat horrible orange * is in the funny handshake brigade
     
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  20. Drakhan Nac Mac Feegle Gold Member

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    He actually should be allowed to show his face in Glasgow.
    That way everyone knows were the * is and can hammer the * over the head with a baseball bat.