James Mccarthy for Scotland?>>HE AGREE'S TO STAY WITH IRELAND!

[SwoopingVulture]

Originally Posted by Diegan

That wasn't listed in your criteria... And there's many, many examples in Latin America and the American border states of kids moving back between multiple countries. What about them? Would you make them stay in their country?

Jesus Padilla was born in San Jose, California but now plays for Chivas who only employ players who will play for the Mexican national team. What about him?

The fact is there are many people in this global age that blow your theory of one size fits all out of the water.

I was joking about the old football countries mate. Every country is a football country whether they know it or not.

OKay, for arguments sake, shall we say that the country that you spend two thirds of your life in before your 16 should be the country that has first dibs on you?

[McNaka]

Originally Posted by Martin

I do not think people's lives end at ten (I have no idea why you have arrived at that conclusion).

I haven't really thought about whether they were too young or not. As it happens I suspect that their decisions were less to do with nationality issues than recognition as an aspiring footballer and the chance to get noticed.

I can't imagine how I came to that conclusion either.

Originally Posted by martin

If someone moved when they were that young they'd definitely be more Scottish than you are Japanese, if that helps.

[Diegan]

Originally Posted by SwoopingVulture

I was joking about the old football countries mate. Every country is a football country whether they know it or not.

OKay, for arguments sake, shall we say that the country that you spend two thirds of your life in before your 16 should be the country that has first dibs on you?

Fair enough, but only because you just bearly gave the required timeframe for me not to mention my next example. I had a few of them but that rule works nicely.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by McNaka

I haven't claimed I'm Japanese. I claim I'm more comfortable with that concept and would prefer to be -- but I, as yet, do not speak nearly as well as I'd like (nor as well as the immigration office would like -- and citizenship is relevant irt Japan acceptance), nor do I live there currently, nor meet other criteria I would consider relevant for acceptance into Japanese society. So I do not claim I am Japanese.

You are American and you said you 'felt' Japanese.

However, the examples I have given do meet criteria for acceptance. A Dutchman born of 100% Dutch parents raised in Holland who is Japanese. There are also several Brazilians with no related bloodlines who are Japanese.

When asked, repeatedly about the dutchman you gave no insight in to the specifics of his situation. You will know that there has been for centuries movement between Brazil and Japan.

Your entire argument is that nationality is decided for people depending on the circumstances of their childhood. I do not agree at all with this sentiment. I -- and many others -- did not stop living at the age of 17.

A minute ago my argument was based on only ethnicity. Make your mind up eh ?

I repeat - national identity is made up of many aspects. IMO how you 'feel' is pretty far down the list.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by McNaka

I can't imagine how I came to that conclusion either.

Desperate.

[SwoopingVulture]

Originally Posted by Diegan

Fair enough, but only because you just bearly gave the required timeframe for me not to mention my next example. I had a few of them but that rule works nicely.

I read minds old chap.

The thing that you have to remember is that for every Aiden McGeady that Scotland lose out on, England have always missed out on having Ryan Giggs being their left winger. If they had him they would have won a major tournament IMO. Thank god for Ryan's dad being filthy philanderer.

[McNaka]

Originally Posted by Martin

You are American and you said you 'felt' Japanese.

Yes but it's a 2way street as I've specified several times. I may feel Japanese, but I'm not exactly part of society.

When asked, repeatedly about the dutchman you gave no insight in to the specifics of his situation. You will know that there has been for centuries movement between Brazil and Japan.

The specifics are that he feels Japanese enough to change citizenship, and he is accepted in society as being Japanese.
As I've repeated about 50 times -- that's all that is required as far as I am concerned. The details are only relevant irt how that fits into meeting Japanese society.

A minute ago my argument was based on only ethnicity. Make your mind up eh ?

Oh? Don't make me go dig up the post and point out that both of those arguments were in the same post.

I repeat - national identity is made up of many aspects. IMO how you 'feel' is pretty far down the list.

IMO it's a lot higher than where you happened to be at an arbitrary age.

[ogairbhith]

Originally Posted by Martin

You seem as bigoted as the huns you claim to hate.

Look in the mirror mate.

explain the hint of bigotry in my post. being without any religion i couldnot give a fuck about any of it even when i was practicing roman catholic i still couldnot give a fuck, i hate sectarianism only the fools fall into that disgracefull shite so i dont know how you jumped to that conclusion so get it fucking right boy

[KK-Bhoy]

Ach, took the bait.

[Diegan]

Lol... the spanish language telecast was just talking about James McCarthy... comparing him to some of the Mexican-Americans. I was on to something it appears.

[neverwalkalone]

I can't be bothered being drawn into a long debate, but I'll state my view. The lad was born and bred in Scotland, he is very young and if he realizes his potential, he would have got called up for his country - Scotland. So he should have waited and played for Scotland. I don't buy this theory that Ireland were quicker to exploit his talents, that may be the case at youth level, but he's only 17 and his time would come.

I think he'll get a lot of the usual dogs abuse and should consider a move down south to get away from the Scottish "culture".

[Martin]

Originally Posted by McNaka

You think I'm mistaking citizenship for nationality... I also think you mistake ethnicity with nationality.

Originally Posted by McNaka

If I feel Scottish then it would suggest that I believe I am Scottish.

As I have repeated, citizenship does not equal nationality. I would be accepted in England, as I speak the language, am familiar with the culture etc, still, I am not English.

Wire in. In fact I've done it for you.

IMO it's a lot higher than where you happened to be at an arbitrary age.

What arbitrary age have I specified? I have explained that there are many facets to national identity - not just ethnicity and some 'arbitrary' age. I can't be arsed listing them AGAIN.

Sorry mate but you ain't Japanese.

Bummer.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by ogairbhith

explain the hint of bigotry in my post. being without any religion i couldnot give a fuck about any of it even when i was practicing roman catholic i still couldnot give a fuck, i hate sectarianism only the fools fall into that disgracefull shite so i dont know how you jumped to that conclusion so get it fucking right boy

You 'hint' that you don't care about Scotland because there are Rangers players in the team.

[Immortal]

lol the discussion still goes on about a pish player

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by Martin

You 'hint' that you don't care about Scotland because there are Rangers players in the team.

most ultras don't care about their national team because certain opponent players play for "their" national team. the world is full of biggots.