the archbishop of where ever

[tim park]

the archbishop of bullshit sorry canterbury,what a asshole ,by now you all know what hes said about the islamic law should be allowed here,

when did that cunt have the right to put forward laws,i remember the days when preachers preached to the local community and tought us about god jesus christ

but now this pokey hatted bearded unelected minister is saying we should let the muzzies have there law in brittian

i dont know if hes a catholic or a prodestant but i do know hes fuking wrong to even suggest it

stick to preaching preacher and fuk off

[BenedictineMonk]

I see your point mate but its something I really can't be fucked debating.

[zmcfc]

I know what you mean mate, but isn't this the wrong section lol...

[nickyg]

Looking at it dispassionately,the whole furore over his comments is a hypocritical nonsense, as he's essentially advocating doing what the Church has done since it's inception, and that is to mould itself to the environment it finds itself in.. including allowing portions of other belief systems to have their place.

Where do you think we get Halloween from, and bonfires, and celebrate Christmas on the 24th December (not Jesus' birthdate!).. and put up Christmas trees? I could go on, but all these things are Pagan religious practises, incorporated into the Church/Christian culture so that it may stay relevant.

I think the real muppets are the ones who create the whole hoo ha around this man, not remembering such examples as those above. For many people these days their faith is becoming more and more a personal interpretation and experience, with people deciding which facets are relevant to them.

He probably recognised that Sharia Law, as an extension of natural justice may fit into that for many people... and, anyway, it's not as if the papers and politicians have a moral high ground to speak from either, cheerleading an exercise in "justice" in Iraq to supposedly get rid of a bad man (who happened to have some nice oil)... leaving nigh on a million dead as a result.

Hypocrites.

[skippygirl]

He's not putting forward "laws" as the Church (Anglican) and the State are separate. He's merely stating an opinion.

I agree with what NickyG posted above.

[Piraeus]

imo he is trying to shit stir to make everyone aware of how many muslims there are. The politically correct over protect islam in the uk and the politicians carefully attacked the archbishop now because it suits them and agreeing with him now in person is suicide. However later when it all blows over they will be pro islam again.

[gary b]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of his speech and the subsequent reaction.It strikes me that the Archbishop,at best,displayed a staggering political naievity if he did not expect such an outcry to his remarks.In my view there should be a complete distinction from religion and the law,and I am extremely suspicous of any individual or organisation which tries to merge the two.

[Ham&Jam]

Originally Posted by nickyg

Looking at it dispassionately,the whole furore over his comments is a hypocritical nonsense, as he's essentially advocating doing what the Church has done since it's inception, and that is to mould itself to the environment it finds itself in.. including allowing portions of other belief systems to have their place.

Well said. Typical of the media to sensationalise and take out of context what he actually said. I read the whole thing and nothing there to support the claims by the press. He is not advocating stonings or hanging people in the streets. The reports in the press smacks of Islamaphobia (is that a word) or a least xenophobia and bigotry.

[Renegade T]

Lets examine this 'sharia law'

caught stealing -hands cut off

peado - balls ripped off

caught stealing trainers - feet cut off

a peado caught stealing trainers - feet ,hands and balls chopped off

could be just the ticket

[venegoorstrokes]

Originally Posted by Renegade T

Lets examine this 'sharia law'

caught stealing -hands cut off

peado - balls ripped off

caught stealing trainers - feet cut off

a peado caught stealing trainers - feet ,hands and balls chopped off

could be just the ticket

I think people would be surprised if punishments for crimes were voted on by referendum insead of the tyrany of the judiciary we live under. None of these legal eagles live in the areas where crime is rife so they havent got an effin clue of the real world. I think the above would be pretty popular. I think someone who gets done for murder/manslaughter more than once is an open-shut case for the rope unless they are insane.

[tim park]

Originally Posted by nickyg

Looking at it dispassionately,the whole furore over his comments is a hypocritical nonsense, as he's essentially advocating doing what the Church has done since it's inception, and that is to mould itself to the environment it finds itself in.. including allowing portions of other belief systems to have their place.

Where do you think we get Halloween from, and bonfires, and celebrate Christmas on the 24th December (not Jesus' birthdate!).. and put up Christmas trees? I could go on, but all these things are Pagan religious practises, incorporated into the Church/Christian culture so that it may stay relevant.

I think the real muppets are the ones who create the whole hoo ha around this man, not remembering such examples as those above. For many people these days their faith is becoming more and more a personal interpretation and experience, with people deciding which facets are relevant to them.

He probably recognised that Sharia Law, as an extension of natural justice may fit into that for many people... and, anyway, it's not as if the papers and politicians have a moral high ground to speak from either, cheerleading an exercise in "justice" in Iraq to supposedly get rid of a bad man (who happened to have some nice oil)... leaving nigh on a million dead as a result.

Hypocrites.

ive never heard halloween or bonfires being a part of any sermon ive ever been at lol,whats oil and iraq got to do with it

and natural justice whats that? if u wanna quote the bible,it says obey the law of the land,of whatever country your in,

[Feed the bear]

Originally Posted by nickyg

Looking at it dispassionately,the whole furore over his comments is a hypocritical nonsense, as he's essentially advocating doing what the Church has done since it's inception, and that is to mould itself to the environment it finds itself in.. including allowing portions of other belief systems to have their place.

Where do you think we get Halloween from, and bonfires, and celebrate Christmas on the 24th December (not Jesus' birthdate!).. and put up Christmas trees? I could go on, but all these things are Pagan religious practises, incorporated into the Church/Christian culture so that it may stay relevant.

I think the real muppets are the ones who create the whole hoo ha around this man, not remembering such examples as those above. For many people these days their faith is becoming more and more a personal interpretation and experience, with people deciding which facets are relevant to them.

He probably recognised that Sharia Law, as an extension of natural justice may fit into that for many people... and, anyway, it's not as if the papers and politicians have a moral high ground to speak from either, cheerleading an exercise in "justice" in Iraq to supposedly get rid of a bad man (who happened to have some nice oil)... leaving nigh on a million dead as a result.

Hypocrites.

It may be hypocritical nonsense to you and a million others Nicky but try telling that to 12 and 13yr old girls who are forced into marriages with first cousins, many of whom are more than twice their age and who abuse them at will and in many cases will even resort to "honour killings" for some "infringement" of Islam which they deem shames them. They do this with the full complicity of their local Sharia council, a body which is always...I repeat, ALWAYS made up of men who make no effort to assimilate themselves into local culture and who preach a medieval form of religion bordering on oppression!

The Archbishop's interview was at best badly planned and at worst an obvious attempt to deflect attention from the COE's planned meetings next week to discuss homosexuality and liberalism in it's ranks. The fact that he is now backtracking at a furious rate of knots and claiming (as all who are in denial do) that his remarks were taken out of context really does back the fact that today's clergy have absolutely no idea what is happening in the daily lives of their congregations.

The vast majority of people in UK and abroad will never accept a government sanctioned form of Sharia law as it undermines the sovereign country and is yet another small step on the slippery slope to losing a country's identity. In the 80's Thatcher allowed independent Madrasas to teach Islam in foreign language, with state support. That idea was seen to be seriously flawed as we all know now with the emergence of so called "home grown" terrorists.

Incidentally.....try implementing aspects of Christian law into any Muslim country and lets see how far you'd get. In fact, try even broaching the idea in the media of a Muslim country and you'll probably end up carting a fatwa around on your back till you pop your clogs! If a few cartoons can spread "outrage" but bombing innocent women and kids is applauded....do you think you can find even a small angle to promote discussion on allowing Christianity to be practised in a country such as Saudi for example???

Not in a million years mate

[anto10]

while i think all religion, especially christianity, is a load of bollix i think islam is worse. you cant drink in islam! basically anything fun is abnned by the mad mullaghs. as for muslim women youd be lucky to get their veil off never mind their knickers.
if you give them muslims so much as an inch theyl turn the entire western world into a less andy version of saudi arabia.
archbishop of canterbury should shut his face.
sharia law me hole!

[nickyg]

Originally Posted by Feed the bear

It may be hypocritical nonsense to you and a million others Nicky but try telling that to 12 and 13yr old girls who are forced into marriages with first cousins, many of whom are more than twice their age and who abuse them at will and in many cases will even resort to "honour killings" for some "infringement" of Islam which they deem shames them. They do this with the full complicity of their local Sharia council, a body which is always...I repeat, ALWAYS made up of men who make no effort to assimilate themselves into local culture and who preach a medieval form of religion bordering on oppression!

The Archbishop's interview was at best badly planned and at worst an obvious attempt to deflect attention from the COE's planned meetings next week to discuss homosexuality and liberalism in it's ranks. The fact that he is now backtracking at a furious rate of knots and claiming (as all who are in denial do) that his remarks were taken out of context really does back the fact that today's clergy have absolutely no idea what is happening in the daily lives of their congregations.

The vast majority of people in UK and abroad will never accept a government sanctioned form of Sharia law as it undermines the sovereign country and is yet another small step on the slippery slope to losing a country's identity. In the 80's Thatcher allowed independent Madrasas to teach Islam in foreign language, with state support. That idea was seen to be seriously flawed as we all know now with the emergence of so called "home grown" terrorists.

Incidentally.....try implementing aspects of Christian law into any Muslim country and lets see how far you'd get. In fact, try even broaching the idea in the media of a Muslim country and you'll probably end up carting a fatwa around on your back till you pop your clogs! If a few cartoons can spread "outrage" but bombing innocent women and kids is applauded....do you think you can find even a small angle to promote discussion on allowing Christianity to be practised in a country such as Saudi for example???

Not in a million years mate

This is just silly and prejudiced.. or should we all agree that Jews are nuts because they chop bits of little boys willies off, or Christians too.. because fundamentalist versions of our faith is equally as warped as fundamentalist Muslims.

From a Christian point of view Muslims hold Christ as a higher power than do most strands of Judaism, (ie: they teach clearly that he was a prophet of God) so where the hell does that leave those easy distinctions and alliances the opinionmakers like to formulate?.. people need to stop letting themselves be drawn into this exponential cycle of whataboutery.. and this latest fake, hypocritacal outrage will only serve to ghettoise and embolden already edgy Muslim communities.

A recipe for disaster.. but woe betide we suggest that is what some of the gerat and the good actually want. Divide and conquer and all that.. and don't say this couldn't/wouldn't happen in a democracy as I 've seen first hand in my life time British policy of flooding working class areas in N Ireland with drugs, and protecting/empowering dealers as paid informers with the intent of altering the path of social and political development.

These faceless people are equally as sinister and dangerous as the faceless boogey men sensationalised in the gutter press.