Robson: Good chance McGeady will leave, Celtic fans must miss Strachan

[Caterpillar]

If people are asking questions then he has a right to reply.

first of all Robson speaks the truth,and second,i was one of those guys that wanted strachan out.
but after this seasons calamity i have said i would take WGS back in a flash
and he's right Aiden might be on his way out

[gunt]

Originally Posted by mmmikey

It does add fuel to the idea that TM got rid of players basically because he wanted to break up the team, rather than necessarily for ability.

my thoughts exactly. In business its called a vanity project

[stevenmcmonagle]

I'd liketo see Aiden McGeady and Shaun Maloney playing but I don't know how far maloney is from fitness, we've been missing shaun maloney. We're not too far from winning the league I think.

[Pearse1888]

get it up ye robson .. strachans is terrible i dont miss him .. NEVER

[SuperNick]

Mcgeady to Boro ?

[jiko]

Originally Posted by gunt

my thoughts exactly. In business its called a vanity project

gunt , I don't know if your at it all the time or just some of the time.. Someone will come on and explain a theory as to reasons why the team was broken up , you will then say fair point and then the next time the debate rears it's head again , you will revert to type and go to town on Mowbray untill someone else gives the reasons again and then you'll agree with them , and so on and so on...
For one , Every single player had shown themself to be average at best in the season before this one , so were already in the "Show your worth to this club" category , and under a new manager when you'd think they'd maybe play above themselves to impress , they show nothing that merits a stay of execution.. Flood and Killen pretty much had to go to make room for others Im sure everyone will agree.. Caldwell wasn't getting the new improved contract he was looking for from the club , something that was decided before TM took the job I reckon.. Robson at 31 wasn't getting a new contract so it was either a case of taking the money when it was offered or letting him walk for nothing when his contract expired.. Skippy wasn't even maintaining the standards he'd shown throughout the early Strachan era so there was no gripe from many about selling for £3.5m.. The only other first teamer who was punted was Fox , who didn't show enough to make him indespensible , so again , no gripe there either.. Mcmanus will be back and there's no doubt he needed to get the heat off himself by taking the loan option..
The other 3 who were part of the broken up team , Hartley , JVOH and Nakamura divided opinion and I don't think people were surprised that Naka chose to move on , and Hartley and JVOH were surplus to requirements..

How does this vanity thing you speak off , come about ?

I think you need to let this whole Strachan nostalgia stuff go..

[doctor venglos]

Originally Posted by Pearse1888

get it up ye robson .. strachans is terrible i dont miss him .. NEVER

Rubbish

Mowbray couldn't fucken lace Strachan's boots
Strachan > 3 Championships on the trot. Silverware, 2 Last CL 16

What has Mowbray got us ? Sweet Fuck All

Robbo has a right to say it is as it is, just as we all have. And the league is not hanging by a thread. It was fucken over months ago under Mowbray

Robbo is a fucken Celtic legend

[Frank_the_bhoy]

Ok....

Can someone tell me where the critisism of robson is coming from? .


Where are they bitter? the article is tiny it was based on 1 or two question asked probably during an interview about middlesbourgh.

The basis of this thread is a bunch off spoiled brats who hate all things strachan and love all things mowbary and they don't waste an oppertunity to have a pop at the strachan regime. Because strachan bought these players they are seen as bitter (even though they said nothing bad about the club). When mowbray comes out talking about the media everyweek instead of our own team he is seen as a hero

These are professional players who know about football and love the club, they have a had a swipe at the manager who they think is fucking us up BIG DEAL.

imo you should all try stop moaning about ex players and start concentrating on what has happned at your own club, mabye that way you could see the real problem with celtic at the moment, I'll give you a hint he's in my avatar

[gunt]

Originally Posted by jiko

gunt , I don't know if your at it all the time or just some of the time.. Someone will come on and explain a theory as to reasons why the team was broken up , you will then say fair point and then the next time the debate rears it's head again , you will revert to type and go to town on Mowbray untill someone else gives the reasons again and then you'll agree with them , and so on and so on...

For one , Every single player had shown themself to be average at best in the season before this one , so were already in the "Show your worth to this club" category , and under a new manager when you'd think they'd maybe play above themselves to impress , they show nothing that merits a stay of execution.. Flood and Killen pretty much had to go to make room for others Im sure everyone will agree.. Caldwell wasn't getting the new improved contract he was looking for from the club , something that was decided before TM took the job I reckon.. Robson at 31 wasn't getting a new contract so it was either a case of taking the money when it was offered or letting him walk for nothing when his contract expired.. Skippy wasn't even maintaining the standards he'd shown throughout the early Strachan era so there was no gripe from many about selling for £3.5m.. The only other first teamer who was punted was Fox , who didn't show enough to make him indespensible , so again , no gripe there either.. Mcmanus will be back and there's no doubt he needed to get the heat off himself by taking the loan option..
The other 3 who were part of the broken up team , Hartley , JVOH and Nakamura divided opinion and I don't think people were surprised that Naka chose to move on , and Hartley and JVOH were surplus to requirements..

How does this vanity thing you speak off , come about ?

I think you need to let this whole Strachan nostalgia stuff go..

Bottom line is you can only judge by results (everything else is subjective opinion) and we have gone overnight from a team who the worst you can expect from is losing or winning the title on the last day (which we did 4 times) over a decade long period to a disaster area trailing by 13 points. That happened over night with the change of manager. Yeah we lost on the last day last year but we won on the last day the year before and lost twice on the last day under MON. That was pretty normal stuff last year in the big scheme of things but this year is not normal. Its spectaculary bad and the worst since the 90s. I do not believe this needed to happen.

[jiko]

Bottom line is you can only judge by results (everything else is subjective opinion) and we have gone overnight from a team who the worst you can expect from is losing or winning the title on the last day (which we did 4 times) over a decade long period to a disaster area trailing by 13 points. That happened over night with the change of manager. Yeah we lost on the last day last year but we won on the last day the year before and lost twice on the last day under MON. That was pretty normal stuff last year in the big scheme of things but this year is not normal. Its spectaculary bad and the worst since the 90s. I do not believe this needed to happen.
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You are at it again.. I told you before that the transition from being second best in Scotland to where we are right now (Still 2nd best) wasn't an overnight thing... It took the best part of the last 18 months of Strachans time in charge to make it happen... As a club led by Strachan , we stood and watched as the huns got stronger yet we didn't do anything to keep them at distance.. We dropped as many points in the last 5 months of last season (remember the 8 point lead we had that ended in a 4 point deficit) with Strachan , Robson , Skippy , Caldwell , Mcmanus , JVOH , Hartley etc all playing leading roles ? Do you remebr it or have you , like Frank and Dr Jo all on this thread have done , forgotten all about that... We can harp on about 3 in a row and pretend the final season didn't happen , but Strachan's final season saw maybe our worst CL campaign ever , Robson missing a penalty in our opening fixture at home , which then left us an uphill battle to even finish 3rd which we couldn't manage , coupled with one of the worst capitulations since the SPL began and you still try and fool people into thinking you think the rot only started the moment that TM became manager.. Wise up ya nutjob..

[doctor venglos]

Originally Posted by jiko

You are at it again.. I told you before that the transition from being second best in Scotland to where we are right now (Still 2nd best) wasn't an overnight thing... It took the best part of the last 18 months of Strachans time in charge to make it happen... As a club led by Strachan , we stood and watched as the huns got stronger yet we didn't do anything to keep them at distance.. We dropped as many points in the last 5 months of last season (remember the 8 point lead we had that ended in a 4 point deficit) with Strachan , Robson , Skippy , Caldwell , Mcmanus , JVOH , Hartley etc all playing leading roles ? Do you remebr it or have you , like Frank and Dr Jo all on this thread have done , forgotten all about that... We can harp on about 3 in a row and pretend the final season didn't happen , but Strachan's final season saw maybe our worst CL campaign ever , Robson missing a penalty in our opening fixture at home , which then left us an uphill battle to even finish 3rd which we couldn't manage , coupled with one of the worst capitulations since the SPL began and you still try and fool people into thinking you think the rot only started the moment that TM became manager.. Wise up ya nutjob..

Nobody is at it . If anybody is at it it is you if you can't see the marked
deteriotation under Mowbray.

[Frank_the_bhoy]

Originally Posted by gunt

Bottom line is you can only judge by results (everything else is subjective opinion) and we have gone overnight from a team who the worst you can expect from is losing or winning the title on the last day (which we did 4 times) over a decade long period to a disaster area trailing by 13 points. That happened over night with the change of manager. Yeah we lost on the last day last year but we won on the last day the year before and lost twice on the last day under MON. That was pretty normal stuff last year in the big scheme of things but this year is not normal. Its spectaculary bad and the worst since the 90s. I do not believe this needed to happen.

Originally Posted by jiko

You are at it again.. I told you before that the transition from being second best in Scotland to where we are right now (Still 2nd best) wasn't an overnight thing... It took the best part of the last 18 months of Strachans time in charge to make it happen... As a club led by Strachan , we stood and watched as the huns got stronger yet we didn't do anything to keep them at distance.. We dropped as many points in the last 5 months of last season (remember the 8 point lead we had that ended in a 4 point deficit) with Strachan , Robson , Skippy , Caldwell , Mcmanus , JVOH , Hartley etc all playing leading roles ? Do you remebr it or have you , like Frank and Dr Jo all on this thread have done , forgotten all about that... We can harp on about 3 in a row and pretend the final season didn't happen , but Strachan's final season saw maybe our worst CL campaign ever , Robson missing a penalty in our opening fixture at home , which then left us an uphill battle to even finish 3rd which we couldn't manage , coupled with one of the worst capitulations since the SPL began and you still try and fool people into thinking you think the rot only started the moment that TM became manager.. Wise up ya nutjob..

Calm it guys we know you are both real smart No need to compete.

[stevenmcmonagle]

Strachan felt the time was right to move on and mowbray has come in and got us playing alright but we've just been missing a little bit of something don't know what it is but we're not to far away from being the best in this country.

[donnybhoy]

BBC Website:


"I'm pretty sure that some journalist, probably from Scotland, went there and asked him a leading question and Barry answered it, probably very honestly.
"But nobody's going to put a wedge between me and a lad who I got on very well with when he was here and I wish him well in his career."

In terms of sour grapes and so on... they weren't allowed freedom of speech when they were under contract here, but had to tolerate TM saying that the 1st team needed a major overhaul. Now, they are able to answer back. They're not gripeing they're offering opinions they are entitled to hold. It's certainly a pity that they are speaking to knuckle-draggers from the Record - but that's all you can really object to. I bet Robbo and Mick would rather be playing in hoops.

We did well with WGS for the most part. We may still do well with TM (perhaps). If there was any public disrespect it was TM's disparaging remarks about the 1st team pool when he arrived.

[gunt]

Originally Posted by jiko

You are at it again.. I told you before that the transition from being second best in Scotland to where we are right now (Still 2nd best) wasn't an overnight thing... It took the best part of the last 18 months of Strachans time in charge to make it happen... As a club led by Strachan , we stood and watched as the huns got stronger yet we didn't do anything to keep them at distance.. We dropped as many points in the last 5 months of last season (remember the 8 point lead we had that ended in a 4 point deficit) with Strachan , Robson , Skippy , Caldwell , Mcmanus , JVOH , Hartley etc all playing leading roles ? Do you remebr it or have you , like Frank and Dr Jo all on this thread have done , forgotten all about that... We can harp on about 3 in a row and pretend the final season didn't happen , but Strachan's final season saw maybe our worst CL campaign ever , Robson missing a penalty in our opening fixture at home , which then left us an uphill battle to even finish 3rd which we couldn't manage , coupled with one of the worst capitulations since the SPL began and you still try and fool people into thinking you think the rot only started the moment that TM became manager.. Wise up ya nutjob..

No need for that. I just disagree and I do not want to yet again go through every point yet again. The core of how I feel about it is if you take away the January loan guys papering over the cracks and what has Mogga really done to improve the team? I see no progress at all to date in firmly establishing definate (not maybes we have not really seen) perm players in ANY positions who are improvements. I also see no sign of a manager who can find a blend of players to make a team. The closest he came to that was the pre-window winter team which did not bad but abot 7 of the 12 or 13 players who featured on that run have been sold or sidelined since Xmas. After a year you at least should be seeing some progress. If I could see some I wouldnt be so negative but I do not even see a glimmer.