Jim Traynor

[col_p67]

I know this fat fuck claims to be an Airdrie supporter, but lets be honest, if you saw him puffing away and struggling to keep up at the back of a march, you wouldn't bat an eyelid. I bring up the point, because I heard him at the weekend stoking the fire for the Strachan/McGeady clash. He was giving it:

"If this continues, I could see McGeady leaving in January", etc, etc. He laboured the point, as though McGeady was good as gone. Then, this morning I hear him singing Wattie's praises for leaving out McGregor. He went on about what great "man-managment" it was and how it was a reminder to all the team how no one player's position is assured.

Just 'cause we're paranoid, doesn't mean we're not right, you fat c*nt.

[Airdrie Onion]

Another ploy, plot, scheme, to undermine and spread rumours. Fifth columnists indeed. Ffth rate columnists.

Is Traynor form Airdrie or what?

[Spaghetti]

Was this before or after McGeady celebrating with Samaras. He looked pretty happy to me!

[Metrobhoy]

It is a case of double standards as far as the McGegor/McGeady being left out of their teams. I think both deserved to be dropped but the media very rarely has a bad word to say about Smith.

On that note, it was interesting to hear a caller on the open line last week. He asked the question "Why is it always STRACHAN and WALTER that these guys are referred to?". Graeme Spears replied saying "I hadn't noticed". Half an hour later he too called him WALTER which was immediately pulled up by Andy Walker lol.

[col_p67]

I agree that McGeady needed to be dropped, but not so much on his form, but rather to give the midfield some balance. When he's playing, a majority of the creative play goes through him. It might've just been me, but I'm pretty sure that a few of the team were looking to other outlets when on the ball, even when McGeady was the best option. Maybe it's not just Strachan he's fallen out with. Back on topic, though, Traynor's a fat, bullying fuck, who shouldn't have his own phone-in. There's no balanced debate. It's just him sleazing on his producer and saying contencious things, in order to create a response (which I suppose he has managed with the creation of this thread).

[Kerr_OConnor]

im not one for slagging journalists for expressing their opinions. quite often enough i can see through my green and white impaired vision that they are right. But, this does look to be a case of double standards. Now we probably know why strachan is such a dick to the media.

[rabt1888]

Media are arseholes, plain and simple, but thats the way they are. They are looking to sell papers, get viewers and listeners, and make headlines.

Thats why you get all the pricks of the day writing in Papers, Traynor. Leckie, Hatley etc etc.

For the record, my uncle used to be involved with Youth football a few years back and met all these punters, he swears blind that Traynor is a Celtic fan !! I cant see it, but he says he heard ot from the horses mouth !!

[Sparkybhoy]

Agree with the original post/

Spot on

Again, i'd like to think i can see the bigger picture and not be completely biased for us but everything Col has said about Traynor is right.

[paulmcq1888]

i found it hilarious that walter smith left out mcgregor, is it possible he was trying to copy strachan?

[patto]

Jim traynor on the famine song

"So, to all those, of any religion or race, who think Scotland is such a bad, twisted place full of bigots and racists there is only one thing to say.

Go.

Go on, just gather up your prejudices, take your suspicions and pack your loathing of Scotland.

Go find a better place to live and leave us to get on with the job of making something good of this country."

[Airdrie Onion]

That means most folk have to up and move leaving only the twisted bigots to really make something of Scotland then. Right?

[col_p67]

Originally Posted by patto

Jim traynor on the famine song

"So, to all those, of any religion or race, who think Scotland is such a bad, twisted place full of bigots and racists there is only one thing to say.

Go.

Go on, just gather up your prejudices, take your suspicions and pack your loathing of Scotland.

Go find a better place to live and leave us to get on with the job of making something good of this country."

You've got to wonder if the original edit of this diatribe was "Go. Back to Ireland", before the editor got his hands on it. He was on the radio talking about it as gallows humour. Does he extend this same sentiment to people mocking the Holocaust? I said that I didn't find the Famine Song particularly offensive, but understood why others did, but the media are in a position where matters like this should not be dismissed in such an offhand manner.

[patto]

Sep 22 2008 Traynor

Isn't There Enough In The World To Worry About Without Beating Ourselves Up Over Line In A Song?

WHAT? You are not offended by the Famine Song? Sorry,but you are a racist.

If your anger doesn't simmer at the very sound of this ditty then you, my friend, are as bad as the people singing it.

You, too, are tainted by a hatred of Irish Catholics.

That's the logic applied to this little number being belted out by some Rangers fans.

And you will detest it.

You will abhor it. You will write to your MSPs, MPs, UEFA, FIFA, the EU and the Vatican.

This is the most divisive, anti-social and downright malicious trend to be visited upon us yet.

God Almighty, what next?

Falkirk can't be called the Bairns because it might encourage paedophiles to buy season tickets.

Dundee United shall no longer be known as the Arabs in case it inflames problems in the Middle East.

Hibernian's ground will have to be renamed so that other religions are not offended.

Queen of the South can't be called Queens because Republicans and gays will be upset.

Dumbarton must have a complete name change as it could be deemed derogatory to people of limited intelligence.

And that brings us back to the offenders and the offended.

There are old folk among us who might freeze to death this winter because we are all being held to ransom by the power companies.

There are young families who will lose their homes because greedy bankers and lenders were allowed to vandalise the global financial system.

And depending on where you live or how much you have saved you might die because some authorities will not pay for life-saving medication.

These are outrageous. They are national disgraces and should shame every one of us.

So please, don't tell me a line in a song about the decade-long potato famine that made people flee Ireland in their tens of thousands in the middle of the 19th century is what we should be beating ourselves up about. The Great Famine was aterrible time and it was a disgrace that so many people were allowedto starve to death or die from related diseases but surely we have more going on around us today which demands such levels of disgust.

You know what, a great many of us are sick and tired of the ridiculous behaviour of groups of Old Firm fans, who aren't even interested in the game any more.

The only points they seek are the ones they believe they collect every time they run clyping to a politician.

The line that seems to have offended a number of Celtic fans is something like: "The famine is over, why don't you go home?"

It's supposed to have enraged one fan so much he put in a complaint that had Irish diplomats raise concerns with the Scottish government.

Unbelievable, but if any politician even attempts to tell Rangers' fans to drop it we'll be entering into dangerous times that will threaten our right to free speech. This line is not inciting violence against anyoneand it isn't celebrating the fact one million people died because of potato blight in the 1840s.

If anything the line is mocking the often cloyingly sentimental longing of Celtic fans for the old country and if you accept that's all it is then it might even border on humorous.

Actually,if some top comedian,a Billy Connolly or a Frankie Boyle had said something similar everybody would have been slapping their thighs.

So when did the gallows humour of the terracing, which for decades has made us all smile by cutting right through pomposity and politically-correct boundaries become such a terrible thing?

Look, if Celtic and their fans wish to hang on to and protect their Irish heritage to the point where it actually seems mawkish that is absolutely fine. No one has any right to insist they celebrate their Scottishness instead and, of course, that should mean they have no right to impose their will on others.

And why is it a shock to them that Rangers fans will react in some way? Is it really surprising the other lot see this Irishness as anti-British?

If only we could all just be Scottish and proud, too. Like many Scots I have fairly strong Irish roots but Ireland isn't my country and never will be.

I'm sorry if that insults anyone but I am not offended by someone who doesn't share my view or does not believe that one day we will be a thoroughly decent, modern and thriving nation.

Somehow I cannot see why this line should offend. And don't start sloshing in that bilge about how big a race crime it would be if people were singing our immigrant communities should go home because the troubles have subsided in their own countries. There are some who believe they shouldn't be here in the first place and that we should never allow in asylum seekers but these people are probably racist.

However, if any of these groups took to gathering regularly in sporting arenas to sing and long for their homelands and the old ways they, too, might be mocked.

But it wouldn't necessarily be racist. It's called freedom of speech. It is a fundamental right that must be protected.

We don't all have to support what is said but we should back the right to say it, provided it is not overtly racist, sectarian or likely to incite violence.

There is a piousness about some Celtic fans and it's as if this support can do no wrong.

They seem to have adopted a holierthan-thou attitude yet I have not heard one person who claims to be upset by that Famine Song line speaking out against those who sing in support of the IRA or of Nacho Novo catching a bullet.

Neither have they spoken out about the twisted people who indulge in the most disgusting and horrible chat on fans'message boards.

Those are what I call offensive but even so I would rather have that than live in a place where we are not allowed to open our mouths.

In retaliation to the Novo threats Rangers fans contacted Spanish authorities and that was just as bizarre as the Celtic fan's complaint to an Irish politician about a stupid song.

Strathclyde Police should have dealt with the threats to Novo because they were of a violent nature and those Celtic fans on their imaginary moral high ground should have been more alarmed at that behaviour than anything else.

So, to all those, of any religion or race, who think Scotland is such a bad, twisted place full of bigots and racists there is only one thing to say.

Go.

Go on, just gather up your prejudices, take your suspicions and pack your loathing of Scotland.

Go find a better place to live and leave us to get on with the job of making something good of this country.

[Johnnybhoyblue]

Im probably going to get pelters for this but i think Traynor talks alot of sense in that article.

[patto]

But hes basically saying rangers are bigots and its ok to be so, put up with it or go