Wait, how do these 'IRA' songs damage our club? - Page 4 - TalkCeltic

DustyMcCeltic · 20-09-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KK-Bhoy

Anyone who denies that the IRA are a terrorist group clearly has problems with the truth.

They employ the use of terror as a means to an end, just like any armed organisation. Ever. So they are a terrorist group.

That doesnt change the fact that youre previous post was laughable. Nae pathetic.

Tamster · 20-09-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyMcCeltic

They employ the use of terror as a means to an end, just like any armed organisation. Ever. So they are a terrorist group.

That doesnt change the fact that youre previous post was laughable. Nae pathetic.

you missed out some minor details (like bombing innocent men / women / children going about their daily business)

KK-Bhoy · 20-09-2008, 08:16 PM

Exactly, Tamster.

DustyMcCeltic · 20-09-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamster

you missed out some minor details (like bombing innocent men / women / children going about their daily business)

Oh im sorry i didnt realise that wasnt known as terror.

Keep up the good work sunshine

rabt1888 · 20-09-2008, 08:26 PM

I have had this discussion before about singing these songs at CP and at football grounds in general.

As far as I am concerned, if you like that music, keep it at home, listen to it in the privacy of your own living room. Personally, I like the songs, altough I have absolutely no sympathy for the ideal that the IRA propogates, or indeed the way they go about it. I just like the songs, but I do realise that singing them in public, is a step back for the club and for the supporters.

Still it is an arguement that will run and run, and when you have "tit for tat" stuff going on with Rangers, and lets face it this is clearly what is happening, we are constantly going to get dragged into the "Old Firm" in Sectarian song scandal again.

Lets step away from the tag, and leave the "Orcs" to rot in there own self induced pool of bile and hatred. I am not saying that anyone has to change there ideals, or that everyone has to agree, but if we keep it off the terraces, we can leave UEFA and FIFA to deal with them as a team, rather than the "Old Firm" as a symbiotic set of supporters !!

KK-Bhoy · 20-09-2008, 08:28 PM

Dusty, I don't want to fall out over this - I think you're one of the better posters on here - but you said my post was laughable and pathetic, yet you agreed with it.

Tamster · 20-09-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyMcCeltic

Oh im sorry i didnt realise that wasnt known as terror.

Keep up the good work sunshine

Cheers buddy

DustyMcCeltic · 20-09-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KK-Bhoy

Dusty, I don't want to fall out over this - I think you're one of the better posters on here - but you said my post was laughable and pathetic, yet you agreed with it.

Okay ill take back the laughable/pathetic craic, no real need for that i guess!

But i was aiming that at your post ("Why would anyone want to be associated with terrorists?" or along those line). Which i dont agree with, but do accept that the IRA are indeed terrorists. Get me?

mickr45 · 20-09-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fionn MacCool

There's no need to bring up our club's history, we're Celtic PLC now mate

by god its a good job we do bring up our clubs history for without it we would only be a 3rd rate team that would attract 500 fans of a home game

mickr45 · 20-09-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamster

you missed out some minor details (like bombing innocent men / women / children going about their daily business)

no need to bring up Iraq and Afganistan here

wulliebad · 20-09-2008, 08:44 PM

ah yes nothing like a nice posting on football............

venegoorstrokes · 20-09-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Feed the bear

As for the last highlighted section, sorry to shake you out of your delusion but yes it does mean you cannot go to CP and celebrate your beliefs, especially if they are not connected to CFC and are illegal, or offensive to the majority. Our club has nothing to do with the murderers and drug runners who called themselves freedom fighters while slaughtering women and kids and I for one hate the fact that some still try to make some connection between us. We were founded by a pious individual with the vision that we could make a difference to the impoverished people in the east end of Glasgow. No criteria were put on whether those poor were Catholic, Protestant or any other faith. No connection was made with an Irish republican movement either. That came through a fan base who were predominantly irish catholic and who connected to the republican movement. The fact that some people seem to think we have a deep connection with the IRA is repugnant to me and many others.

well said. I cant see Bro Walf having been a big fan of the armalite and balaclava. He may well have wanted Irish Home rule but I doubt he would have gone along with physical force. I would love to hear from much older fans if the political stuff is largely late 60s onwards. I get the impression that political songs were less common before that.

venegoorstrokes · 20-09-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Let's ditch all the IRA crap and move on. If people in NI are moving on why can't a section of our support ?

well said that man

**Renegade T** · 20-09-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Let's ditch all the IRA crap and move on. If people in NI are moving on why can't a section of our support ?

exactly ,Fionn MacCool i really dont know why you constantly and persistently want to take this line of discussion . You always drag celtic football club into squabbles of sectarianism

venegoorstrokes · 20-09-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mickr45

by god its a good job we do bring up our clubs history for without it we would only be a 3rd rate team that would attract 500 fans of a home game

heard that one before - its nonesense. Edinburgh and Dundee were two-team cities with one team having Irish origins. They toned down the Irish aspect to differing degree and integrated into Scottish society but they remained popular and the places remained two team cities. In fact, Dundee United eventually became the bigger team of the city. Toning down the Irish political angle actually made them grow.

I am certainly not suggesting we do that but those who say the teams depend on that for fans are wrong. For every potential fan attracted for the Irish nationalism reasons there are probably four or five put of for the same reasons. I have no doubt that if Celtic had gone the same way as Hibs and DUndee UNited that Celtic would still be a big big team and Glasgow would likely still be a two team city.