JVOH

[clagan24]

Originally Posted by hairytoes

Kenny Miller 3 Million squids

I think that this'll change this season if WGS stays - he'll want to free up space in the squad.
He's looking at another CM (don't he just love those CM's) in Vukojevic (rumour) & will need to get rid of Donati, Gravesen & maybe Sno - granted this might not produce a net profit.

Riorden should produce a profit too.

we'll only make a profit on deeks because we bought him on the cheep because his contract was running out. we'll get £500,000 for him at the most imo

[Hammer]

That's a different story, he wasn't good enough as are any of the other players you mention.

Selling club intimates that you are selling your biggest assets for a profit after developing them and turning them into regular starters. I couldn't tell you the last time we sold a player from the starting line up for a profit that didn't make noises about wanting to leave i.e. Maloney and Petrov.

[Tamster]

He is not good enough.

Get whatever money we can for him and replace.

[hairytoes]

Originally Posted by Hammer

That's a different story, he wasn't good enough as are any of the other players you mention.

Selling club intimates that you are selling your biggest assets for a profit after developing them and turning them into regular starters. I couldn't tell you the last time we sold a player from the starting line up for a profit that didn't make noises about wanting to leave i.e. Maloney and Petrov.

What you going on about?

Buying in cheap players (Miller was free, as you know), putting them on a stage - (3 goals in CL if I remember) & then punting them after a season or 2 for 3 million squids.
That's what selling clubs do.

Same with Deeks, picked him up on the cheap & punt him at a profit - his poor attitude has cost him the chance to perform on the big stage - but it'll be a profit anyway.

I think Sno will be the same.

The others I mention - as I say - only if a good offer comes in & we have a replacement lined up.

We're now much more savy than before, when we bought in established players for big bucks & let their contracts run out - Sutton, Hartson, Thommo, Lenny - need I go on.

Trust me. I don't think we'll sign another Gravesen, it'll be players like Hinkle & JVoH who could be sold for a higher price - or the more unknown huge potential players like Boruc, Naka, Vukojevic.

That's what I mean by a selling club, when the board give the manager funds for signings, I'm sure that they want a return in the future, no way we wouldv'e spent 4.5 million on Broon, if we didn't think he'd be worth more in a few years time.

[clagan24]

we are not a selling club. we've made some profit in the transfer market but so have man united, does that make them a selling club?

[Hammer]

You've got the idea of a selling club completely wrong Hairytoes. Selling Kenny Miller made good business sense, in fact it was daylight robbery from Lawell.

Hibs are the definition of a selling club develop or purchase young talent play them week in week out then sell them to bigger clubs for large fees. Celtic don't do that as they have to be winning titles year in year out and Parkhead is not the place for youth to develop on any real scale. Therefore Celtic are not and never will be 'a selling club'

[hairytoes]

I've never said we are a selling club - look back at my posts.

What I'm on aboout, is the Kenny Miller v's Tommy G scenario.
One player for free & sold very soon after for a profit, whilst taking a small chance on his future resaleability - due to his age & price.

Tommy G on the other hand, is past his best years & we had to pay a substantial fee to sign him (even though he was a freaking car crash at Real).

We will never again (IMO) sign another player, without seriously considering his future resaleability (is this a word?), look at Scotty Broon - no way we signed him at that price without thinking he'd be worth more in 2 or 3 years.
That's what I mean by asking if we might be a selling club - in the MON days we didn't give a flying feck how much they cost or how old they were, we just went in & bought them - that's why your struggling to remember us selling anyone at a profit.
However those days have changed, as illustrated by Kenny Miller, Derek Riorden, Artur Boruc, Scotty Broon, Evander Sno, Andeas Hinkle, Scott McDonald, JVoH (to an extent) & hopefully Vukojevic.

Dosen't mean we're a selling club, it means that we've had our fingers burnt & Lawell won't allow that to happen again.

So, are we a selling club?
Not sure but we're a business - why did Chelsea sign Steve Sidwell?
Same thing - every club has to make a buck, even Chelsea.

[Hammer]

What a lot of crap.

Sidwell was signed as a squad player and someone they thought would improve their squad. To suggest Abramovich needs to make money for Chelsea by signing free transfers and selling them on is laughable tbh.

You also did point to the fact we are a selling club by saying we bought Miller and sold him at a profit then used that to generalise out entire business strategy. There were exceptional circumstances with him i.e. he was a striker that didn't score goals and some idiot was willing to pay 3 million quid for him.

[clagan24]

Originally Posted by hairytoes

What you going on about?

Buying in cheap players (Miller was free, as you know), putting them on a stage - (3 goals in CL if I remember) & then punting them after a season or 2 for 3 million squids.
That's what selling clubs do.

sounds like you're saying we're a selling club

[Tamster]

Get a room ladies.

this is the JVOH thread

[hairytoes]

Originally Posted by Hammer

What a lot of crap.

Sidwell was signed as a squad player and someone they thought would improve their squad. To suggest Abramovich needs to make money for Chelsea by signing free transfers and selling them on is laughable tbh.

You also did point to the fact we are a selling club by saying we bought Miller and sold him at a profit then used that to generalise out entire business strategy. There were exceptional circumstances with him i.e. he was a striker that didn't score goals and some idiot was willing to pay 3 million quid for him.

C'Mon mate, Sidwell has not had a sniff of 1st team footy & Chelseas have had an amazing season - they got him on a free & they will sell him this summer (I bet), without him having played more than about 10 games of 1st team footy, in a hugely demanding season for his team. This is a way of making money - selling players for more than you got them, what's the problem?

Our days of being a buying BIG club are well & truly over, not sure if it makes us a selling club - but as I've said we are when it suits us, same as mostly every other club in the world...Money talks.

Why can't you admit that we sold Kenny Miller for a profit & that he didn't want to go?

[col_p67]

Sidwell was signed as cover for the Africa Nations Cup.

[supermike]

Hairytoes I don't mean to jump on the bandwagon here but you are wrong. We are nowhere near a selling club. In fact (i bet) if you tallied up all our income and expense (transfer fees/wages) from the last decade there would be a maaaaassive deficit. The only person I can think we made significant money on was Petrov. Anything else (Miller for example) while being a sound bit of business does not indicate we're a selling club.

RE: Sidwell - If Chelsea make a profit on him considering the contract hes been on for a year I'd be hugely surprised. Of all the players to cite as a money-making signing he is not it, least of all a Chelsea player.

[ede]

Big Jan is slow, and thats why he never runs after balls, cos he ain't gonna outpace most SPL defenders...but what I like about him is that he very commited and plays hard for us....unlike many, Samaras for example who doesn't seem to give a rats-ass whether we win or no. At least he scores important goals for us. e.g.The winner against Rangers and opener against Barcelona

[Deano-JVOH]

Do use watch Celtic games, i mean go up to parkhead every week?

Jan holds the ball up, tries to bring the midfielders into play and tries to find skippy

JVOH isnt ball greedy like tht wee fanny Miller, he just likes to set up for other players and bang a few in for himself